The Trials - ENDGAME

[DrippingGoofball]

That is VERY GOOD.

I can get behind this.

VOTE: shellyc

[Fidget]

Not sure. Both alignments grovel/beg. I'll take it because it means talking which is good for solving.

Please Titus! I'll make you votecounts if you stop suspecting me!! I'm just so scared..

Have I been talking like that this whole time without realizing it, or what. I just wanted to help you get on with the VCA you kept saying you needed a VC for.

Anyway your VCA assumes that Tayl0r's wagon was in good faith, whereas Pickaxe Pete's and your own weren't. Pete is "weak town getting pushed by a misguided BM!town". I appreciate getting insight into how you're viewing the game at least ig but it's not really showing me why you think that.

I'm rereading through now, I am a bit taken aback by how shelly has expressed suspicion on all of: Pob, Tayl0r, Nosferatu, BM, Gypyx, Plusjoy, AND Pickaxe

Her townreads are Leia(but now scumreads Pete I suppose), then me and Titus because of my reaction. Idk why she thinks Titus is town from just my reaction though but that's what she said

I reread Pickaxe's ISO and I still don't find most of his shelly reasons very compelling and I don't get why he tunnels there. It comes off a bit as if he's just making things up to me. Maybe a bad read I guess but many of his reasons are bizarre. I wish he would just explain 344 to me cause that's the prime example of something that just doesn't make sense to me at all.

Tayl0r's wagon got kicked off by pob pursuing the possibility tayl0r was scum overly assuming BM was town when she voted him per his request. She explained that she had assumed scum wouldn't be so bold as to ask for to be sent, but that wasn't enough for panda, Gypyx, me, and Leia. Gypyx brought up a point that he had already explained why we shouldn't send town to trial and tayl0r seemed to ignore it.

I can buy tayl0r being town that just voted BM not really thinking hard about it, I'd probably need more than that. Shelly's play is kinda odd and I think I let my preconceived notions of what she'd play like as scum probably get in the way of reading her.

Pickaxe Pete's tunnel is strange but perhaps not necessarily scummy, if I could have a talk with him about his shelly suspicion sometime it'd really be nice. It just seemed like he's making stuff up and I guess i found it very convenient to just tunnel the next scummiest player when you're the main wagon ig. But now I'm looking thru and that wasn't really the case, Tayl0r and Titus were more popular wagons than shelly/pete at the time. It is a little easier to buy it as being genuine.

[PlusJOYED]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

[Battle Mage]

@BM,

Stop being butthurt that your Pickaxe wagon is full of scumbutts and bad town.

Also, I never reread my ISOs. I use VCs to assess wagons later. That's why it's called VCA.

I'll wait here while you scream Pickaxe is scum and wonder why the wagon fails.

@DGB,

Thanks

I don't have the time or motivation to stop your efforts to railroad town with untruths. Suffice to say, you saying "this is faulty reasoning" about something which is:

A. Perfectly reasonable and the opinion most people would likely form.
B. Ultimately just somebody's opinion, which cannot be factually proven either way.

Is itself, invalid.

In fact, I haven't been "screaming Pickaxe is scum". I've been eloquently setting out how you are screaming "Faulty Reasoning" incorrectly, as a crutch to avoid having to actually engage with the actual merits and demerits of the wagon.

At best, it's exceptionally lazy and uninterested townplay, which I don't expect from you. At worst, it's scum-Titus thinking she can get away with spamming everyone off with empty content rather than delivering where it counts. In either case, I'm not impressed and I'll leave it there.

[Vecna]

i dont see what about titus' reaction test seems solvy

It's a big boisterous show of appearing solvy but in reality solves nothing. But it's just enough for a scum to poke their head out with a classic "above the fray" stance of calling them both town.

So indirectly, Titus stirring the pot in every direction might have netted us scum in an unexpected way.

im in love with this post

[Vecna]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

hisssss

[Vecna]

I dno, I was really enjoying leia's crazy playstyle. I was prone to townreading it, without having any good reasons to do so.

BM is back to being BM at least. destroy all opposition. RraawR!

[Vecna]

Nosferatu, stop being such a non-factor, please. I know you got some gems that wanna come out.

[Not Known 15]

Send to the Trial 1.7

Pickaxe Pete

Princess Leia

(6) Battle Mage; Marashu; Fidget; Tayl0r Swift; shellyc; PlusJOYED;

shellyc (5) Nosferatu; EddieFenix; Pickaxe Pete;Titus; DrippingGoofball;

Tayl0r Swift (2) pob long; RedPanda;

Not Voting (2) Gypyx; Vecna;

Vecna (0)

Fidget (0)

Titus (0)

Nosferatu (0)

pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

[Not Known 15]

Saudade replaces RedPanda

[shellyc]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

this is close to a prodge

there's a noticable difference between town!plus and this read-sheeping which doesn't indicate a town mindset at all

[shellyc]

"Girls you're both pretty" or "it's town vs. town" is more likely to come from scum than from town.

I'm not afraid to TR people. You shouldn't scumread me for doing that.

[shellyc]

ShellyC and Taylor being partners would explain why those two wagons have slow burns stalled out while others are more rapidly exploding.

blah titus i don't care a single bit about your VCA other that it's wrong

[shellyc]

If Pickaxe Pete flips scum, I'm still pretty interested in Tayl0r tomorrow, although in a funny way she's so erratic and inconsistent it feels too conspicuously bad to be scum. Also, completely happy getting the heat if he flips town. I don't really get a vibe that he is happy and enthusiastic to be here.

too scummy to be scum isn't valid logic and taylor looks bad

what if it's taylor / pickaxe / plusjoy here gg

[shellyc]

like the flip-flop go-with-the-flowy reads by taylor isn't indicative of a town mindset therefore I am heavily scumreading them aorn

joyed also doing the same contrary to their usual townplay of throwing out reads and whatnot

[shellyc]

Please Titus! I'll make you votecounts if you stop suspecting me!! I'm just so scared..

don't try and use AtE now have a nice day

[shellyc]

fidget is a gut TR (but might have me pocketed) and titus' VCA attempt is *wrong* but still an attempt so +townpoints

dripping goofball currently voteparking on me which is bleh but their entrance seemed pretty town

[shellyc]

I'm leaning town on this guy.

@BM can you explain further on this? I want to dive deeper

[Saudade]

hi

[Saudade]

VOTE: unvote
was my slot universally townread or we gonna do this the hard way

[Saudade]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i think battlemage is town

[Titus]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

this is close to a prodge

there's a noticable difference between town!plus and this read-sheeping which doesn't indicate a town mindset at all

I agree with this.

If Plusjoy is scum, it suggests scum value you over Pickaxe Pete.

[Tayl0r Swift]

like the flip-flop go-with-the-flowy reads by taylor isn't indicative of a town mindset therefore I am heavily scumreading them aorn

joyed also doing the same contrary to their usual townplay of throwing out reads and whatnot

i think youve seen me enough to know that thats exactly how town!me operates

[Tayl0r Swift]

shit bros my mafia processing power is having trouble booting im in too many games
i do think pete is sus though UNVOTE:
VOTE: pete

this is close to a prodge

there's a noticable difference between town!plus and this read-sheeping which doesn't indicate a town mindset at all

I agree with this.

If Plusjoy is scum, it suggests scum value you over Pickaxe Pete.

value in what sense? why would scum want to keep her alive?

i do agree that i expect a bit more from both plus and nos, but dunno if i really know either of them well enough to say its a scumtell.

[Pickaxe Pete]

Spoiler: VCs

Send to the Trial 1.4

Tayl0r Swift (5) pob long; Fidget; Princess Leia; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

Not Voting (3) Marashu; Vecna; shellyc;

shellyc (3)Titus; Nosferatu; EddieFenix;

Princess Leia (2) Tayl0r Swift; Battle Mage;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Nosferatu (1) Gypyx;

Fidget (0)

pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

Titus (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

Princess Leia is being replaced.

Send to the Trial 1.5

Tayl0r Swift (4) pob long; Pickaxe Pete; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

Titus (3)Vecna;Fidget;Tayl0r Swift;

Not Voting (2) Marashu; shellyc;

shellyc (2) Nosferatu; EddieFenix;

Pickaxe Pete

Princess Leia

(1) Battle Mage;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Nosferatu (1) Gypyx;

Fidget (1) Titus;

pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

Pickaxe Pete replaces Princess Leia.

Send to the Trial 1.6

Pickaxe Pete

Princess Leia

(5) Battle Mage; Marashu; Fidget; Tayl0r Swift; shellyc;

Tayl0r Swift (3) pob long; RedPanda; PlusJOYED;

shellyc (3) Nosferatu; EddieFenix; Pickaxe Pete;

Not Voting (2) Gypyx; Vecna;

Vecna (1) DrippingGoofball;

Fidget (1) Titus;

Titus (0)

Nosferatu (0)


pob long (0)

Battle Mage (0)

RedPanda (0)

EddieFenix (0)

Marashu (0)

Gypyx (0)

PlusJOYED (0)

DrippingGoofball (0)

With 15 alive, you need 8 to send someone to the trials with absolute majority vote, and 2 to send someone to the trials with relative majority vote at the end of the day. No Elimination is disabled.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-25 11:00:00) or when someone has been sent to the trials by absolute majority.

We had a static wagon of five on Taylor when I performed my reaction test on Shelley. Most of the people on the wagon are consensus town. So the question becomes where are the scum or why has this wagon stalled?

The only person to initally jump off the Taylor wagon to me was Fidget, who I suspected before. None of the people voting for me discussed shelley in any meaningful way. They jumped from VLA to no scumslip without any meaningful search at her behavior. The wagon started from Vecna being the likely town shepherd into a bad wagon. Scum rarely start bad wagons day 1, especially when buddies are being FoSed.

So right now, I am left with two possibilities. One, Taylor is scum and her wagon stalled due to lack of bussing or two, scum are jumping on anything with a pulse to look like they are providing content.

Then, we get to Pickaxe Pete. It's another wagon that gained steam based on town with faulty reasoning.

This point, I strongly suspect at least one of Taylor and Fidget is scum, but not both. ShellyC and Taylor being partners would explain why those two wagons have slow burns stalled out while others are more rapidly exploding.

VOTE: shellyC

Perfectly ok with a Taylor vote as well for the reasons above. I can't find scum on either wagon as they currently sit.

Pickaxe PetePrincess Leia (5) Battle Mage; Marashu; Fidget; Tayl0r Swift; shellyc;

Wagon positioning suggests to me that if two of {Fidget, Taylor, ShellyC} are scum, it would be Fidget & ShellyC. I don't have a strong read on Fidget or Taylor at this point.