Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE: Fun and Games

At least they're doing stuff.

VOTE: Beeboy

link to VC on this page

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 1.004
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	CreativeMod1, Fun and Games	EL-5	2	3	3	SirCakez
GeorgeBailey	None	EL-7	3	3	4	GeorgeBailey
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	PenguinPower	EL-6	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	SirCakez	EL-6	3	3	1	Nosferatu
DoctorPepper	Ydrasse	EL-6	3	3	3	DoctorPepper
PenguinPower	Pine, Nosferatu	EL-5	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	DoctorPepper	EL-6	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	Bingle	EL-6	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	Gamma Emerald, Albert B. Rampage	EL-5	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	GeorgeBailey, beeboy
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-27 23:16:10)
Notes: beeboy is V/LA until Sept 21

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

I see I have somehow completely missed the existence of the dawn phase - I am quite bad at reading rules.

Should we mass-claim what we did last night and our motivations behind our actions?

Why would we do this?

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

My thing is like what if scum can mess with the people trying to destroy the labs?

Like, how?

I don't know, their roles/Careers or items I'd assume
We also don't know if stuff is multitasking or not

I'm fine with setup spec but I can't get into it myself
just fyi

Reason for voting SirCakez. He jumps into game focusing on setup spec, and then immediately proves he didn't know possibly the most interesting parts of the setup: Scum can't kill. Also, there's like 5 references to multiple actions. In the rules section:

Spoiler:

All players are able to perform as many of the following actions as they would like:

3) Each Night phase, perform up to [half your speed rounded down, with a minimum of 1] of the following actions:

You are not allowed to send me conditional actions (i.e. "if I discover an Item room, then attempt to Activate X LAB").

Players can choose to use as few as zero of their actions during each Night phase.
If a player does not submit actions during the Night phase, I will by default assume they use one action to explore Rooms and do not perform any other actions.

DOCTORS do not have a factional nightkill. Instead, DOCTORS have an additional factional attack they can use once per Night (in addition to their personal actions) by nominating one of the DOCTORS to perform the attack. The attack counts as an additional action for that DOCTOR and the nominated DOCTOR can use any stat modifications, abilities, etc. in their possession on this attack in addition to any personal attacks made. However, this attack will never be shown as attributed to a specific DOCTOR, but instead will appear as if “a DOCTOR” attacked (i.e., identity will always be private for factional attack). This factional attack does not count towards the personal limit of actions taken.

And yet, SC was A) aware that labs needed to be destroyed, B) unaware of multitasking, and C)

hasn't actually done any scumhunting

. Very much press doubt to X.

Yeah I read the rules once three days ago. Said rules are like five pages long and I have a ton of things going on IRL and not much time with college rn so not everything stuck. Deal with it.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: beeboy
Didn't realize I was still on Nosferatu
I can get behind this wagon

[Bingle]

[GeorgeBailey]

126 is a gross LAMISTY pile on to a gross LAMISTY sentiment.

I think 145 comes across more LAMIST. I cant see town taking a scumclaim seriously, or even questioning it in that regard.

VOTE: Dr.Pepper

[Fun and Games]

126 is a gross LAMISTY pile on to a gross LAMISTY sentiment. Yes, Nosferatu should try not to die. That's obvious, and there's no point to pointing out to Nosferatu except to try to look town, and Ydrasse was the second one to do it. 128 is seeking permission from the thread to do the obviously correct play tonight, which comes across as not wanting to be held accountable for her actions.

I disagree.

The rules section for this game is very long and I can definitely see someone missing the part about doctors being able to reduce knowledge by 1 each night or the part that if any stat is reduced to 0 it will result in death.

It's not at all helpful to attack people for pointing things out because the rules for this game are so long that I do not think any "interaction" is very obvious.

I've asked Nosferatu twice now about why his knowledge decreased and he still has not answered me so I can see him being oblivious or un-aware enough to not know he needs to increase his knowledge stat quickly to avoid death.

[Fun and Games]

i'm hard scumclaiming

I hope you feel better. I liked happy Ydrasse more.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Nosferatu]

I've asked Nosferatu twice now about why his knowledge decreased and he still has not answered me so I can see him being oblivious or un-aware enough to not know he needs to increase his knowledge stat quickly to avoid death.

the magic word is ☆compensation☆

[Nosferatu]

I'm trying to figure out if the scum-team used their -1 knowledge ability on you or if you had some kind of game event involving knowledge reduction from the moderator.

how is u asking me the same question repeatedly likely to influence my motivation in getting more knowledge lmfao???

its literally pro-town and i would assume pro-scum to max my stats unless for some reason ur not privy to its not in which case whatever u say is irrelevant

go solve the game im lurking to d2 o/

[PenguinPower]

I will also elim the poster above for no apparent reason.

[Fun and Games]

Fun and Games

Why are we so high?

~ games

[CreativeMod1]

126 is a gross LAMISTY pile on to a gross LAMISTY sentiment. Yes, Nosferatu should try not to die. That's obvious, and there's no point to pointing out to Nosferatu except to try to look town, and Ydrasse was the second one to do it. 128 is seeking permission from the thread to do the obviously correct play tonight, which comes across as not wanting to be held accountable for her actions.

I disagree.

The rules section for this game is very long and I can definitely see someone missing the part about doctors being able to reduce knowledge by 1 each night or the part that if any stat is reduced to 0 it will result in death.

It's not at all helpful to attack people for pointing things out because the rules for this game are so long that I do not think any "interaction" is very obvious.

I've asked Nosferatu twice now about why his knowledge decreased and he still has not answered me so I can see him being oblivious or un-aware enough to not know he needs to increase his knowledge stat quickly to avoid death.

VOTE: Nosferatu

I also didn't catch this in the rules, but if doctors have an ability relating to reducing down their knowledge for something then it's kinda sus that someone has lower knowledge and I'd like to get to the bottom of this

[CreativeMod1]

UNVOTE: nosferatu

I probably should've actually reread the rules before replying
It seems more like nosferatu was subject to an attack by the doctors

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

Another one!

[DoctorPepper]

Why is it an optimal play from scum!Nosferatu to intentionally lower his stats rather than the scum team doing it for him.

I don't get this line of attack at all

[beeboy]

Sorry I'll you see guys in the morning, I am feeling mostly ok.

[CreativeMod1]

I mis-interpreted what was being said, I thought that what was being said was scum had a thing in which they could lower their stats to do something else
But now I think that it's more of an attack made

[DoctorPepper]

Sitewide V/LA til Friday. Work is being a bitch

[Bingle]

I can definitely see someone missing the part about doctors being able to reduce knowledge by 1 each night or the part that if any stat is reduced to 0 it will result in death.

Except... He didn't just miss the part about the doctors being able to reduce knowledge. He missed multiple different places where multitasking was confirmed.

Multitasking was confirmed in post 1, under deadlines.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 5, 4 times under the actions heading, in every paragraph.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 6, once under Resolution/Interaction of Night Actions, once under attacks/steals, and once under Results.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 7, under General Setup Information and under the Doctor Faction.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 8, in the sample role PM. You know, the sample role PM that would mirror the role PM SirCakes would have gotten as town.

The Lab win condition, by comparison, was confirmed only in post 4.

So, in order for SirCakez to be telling the truth about the multitasking being forgotten, he had to have read how actions work in order to make his N0 actions and his own role PM in order to confirm. He also provably is scum or read at least enough of the rules to understand the secondary wincondition is {Scum activate Labs}.

I find it way more likely that SirCakez was trying to townslip as scum by "not being aware" of that aspect of the game than that he forgot something that came up in literally every rules post and his own role PM after reading the rules. I find it way way more likely that he's scum trying to fake a townslip than that he didn't look at any of the rules posts after having not remembered them but had read them in the first place WHILE ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN SETUP SPEC.

I find it way more likely that SC is scum than that SC is town who came into the thread to do setup spec, then shifted directly to complaining about how he's not good at setup spec without doing anything else.

[Bingle]

Fun and Games

Why are we so high?

~ games

You've done things I think might be town. This, naturally, puts you above the people who circumstantially might be town based on weak mechanical information and lower than people I think are probably town.

[Bingle]

I also didn't catch this in the rules, but if doctors have an ability relating to reducing down their knowledge for something then it's kinda sus that someone has lower knowledge and I'd like to get to the bottom of this

This would be a pretty ballsy scum tactic in the wake of me pushing SC over potentially faking a lack of understanding of the rules.

[Bingle]

@mod: Pine and GE are both due prods if you wouldn't mind.

[lilith2013]

Gamma Emerald and Pine have been prodded. Thanks for the reminder!