Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[zMuffinMan]

that last line is poorly phrased

i struggle to see why you,

as town

, make that leap

i can see why you,

as scum

, would make that logical leap and not realise how out of place it was

also... you and cabd synced on that, what did cabd agree with?

[zMuffinMan]

I don't like muffins' morph push it doesn't feel like a push coming from a villager that wants to be right but rather scum who is just trying to maybe turn morph into a lynchable slot

i'm pretty sure i'd never bother doing that as scum, in much the same way i am pretty sure if morph is scum, they're not even going to bother trying to get a wagon going on me and even if one does develop, they'll be nowhere to be seen on it

no point risking looking bad on something you know is flipping town, especially if you know the slot is going to make it hell for you going down

there's no reward for the risk

that's what night kills are for anyway

(and yes, i'm just saying this to make them think i'm town for pushing them by pretending i wouldn't bother as scum)

[zMuffinMan]

usually when i'm town, scum who know me leave me alone unless a significant portion of the town is already scum-reading me for whatever silly reason (like dunnstral the double-voter in that one fakegod game where he hard-defended mariar from cupcake and me)

it's far easier to deal with me by just hoping i'm either incorrect or not loud enough to make them dead, before silently killing me off at night - i've been pretty low prio for doc actions in a lot of games (though surprisingly good watcher-bait. can't even count the number of times scum have been caught due to a watcher on me. PYP6, magical girls, minuet's trio in recent memory, and a ton of other older ones too)

mostly i'm just

using this post to brag

trying to say that my approach to fferycabd as scum if they're town is probably going to be similar to what i think their approach to me is going to be in the opposite situation - just ignore the threat and make it dead at night

[zMuffinMan]

i'm saying all that partially to mind-fuck fferycabd if they're actually town but also partially so people remember that if i mysteriously get deaded night one

[PlusJOYED]

+town points for reading 30 pages aliase and giving town buzzword energy, let's see if it lasts
I don't like zmuffins string of posts, they feel like scum monologuing and I don't really get the point they are trying to make at all, maybe I still got the morning sleepies. Does anyone else make sense of zmuffin? Cause right now I don't but I'd hate to start a mislim on something I don't understand

[midwaybear]

I liked fferys interactions with me and I think it makes sense to be confused why the interactions not the same even if I do think it’s a bit of an over expectation. I don’t think your play this game would hinge on pocketing someone just as likely to be overly paranoid of you by making me work for my townread

If ffery is scum and notices that you have been different from past games, what is stopping her from using that angle to scumread you in this game? What's the difference here between how scum her and town her approach this with you? Also, the second statement seems pretty lazy and potentially wrong in some cases to me.

[PlusJOYED]

hold up lemme figure out zmuffin iso during my bathroom break, im a big boy I can figure them out

I'm still not good at mass quoting isos on mobile so bear with me here

38:

i'm not silly enough to read into something so insignificant... ... ... but i do find it interesting that you mentioned my name a rather large number of times before i'd even posted

Not gonna judge too harshly cause this was made at RVS stage imo, but it's the start of a post trend I notice where it looks like muffin is super self-focused and looking at this game from "who SR's who" rather than "who acts scummy"

43

i can't tell if people are still doing rvs votes. i think both morph and something_smart might actually be scum

Sr without explanation here, also 59

This is what really pinged me 504

i feel like i'll get some town reads for saying fferycabd is my strongest scum read so far

going against the grain usually makes people town-read you i think?

Shows a non towny mindset even if not serious

511

i am not read up on recent pages

have fferycabd figured out noddy is town yet or are they still pretending he could be scum?

Looks like tmi without explanation to me

527

have you done anything town?

This is not scumhunting regardless of playstyle, it should be up to you as town to decide that and I don't like this post

same with 544. this is consistent with 43 but they still have no evidence for their SR after 500+ posts

559 is ???

562

oh, good!

what are your current reads? (don't care about whether you've S Y N C E D on them)

ok this is a protown start but why not ask this earlier?

564

do a consolidated list please, you're all about effort in this game, shouldn't be too hard

also out of interest, why did you think i would scum read you if i were scum?

this question feels more survivalist than solve oriented. its easy to ask simple questions as scum to look like your scumhunting

585

to be clear, i think pretty much everything you've written so far has come across as forced. questions like 215 are a pretty good example of this, but just in general i think you're trying way too hard to be present rather than doing anything that seems town. i think some of your other questioning is 'fair', but not town-looking

and i don't know how you still don't have a town read on noddy lol, and i completely disagree with bork thinking you taking a 'nacho' approach to them now is a good sign

I don't see anything forced that morph has done and the example was pretty bad. They focus on how it sounds rather than the merits of what morph has said which I don't like much, hunting on tone seems bad especially against a hydra which is more inconsistent. They go on about stuff like this for a couple more posts

628

i don't like ffery's noddy push either and i legit don't know how you don't have a town read on him yet

noddy =notsci? I'm not a fan of the lack of mindset/explanation with these either, feels a little tmi or fake reads

they also feel very fixated on morph at this point like nearly all of their posts have been about that

720

if you are so aware of previous encounters with scum-me, that makes me more interested in knowing why you thought i'd call you scum this game if i were scum

because, like, it'd be pretty easy for me to just agree with general consensus about you and ignore you if i'm scum rofl

or serenade you with compliments so you ignore me

on the other hand, i don't understand what gave you the impression that i'd think you're town if i'm town? because that's clearly not meta-based, even ignoring the fact that we're both coming back from like a 2-year hiatus

This post also feels more survivalist than solvey here, giving reasons why they wouldn't do this as scum

848

tbh im out of the loop with scum noddy but even apart from the fact i think i can read him based on demeanour and based on his approach to scum hunting (or rather, town hunting), he just seems pretty town so far

so i see you going "oh woe is me, he didn't mention being paranoid" and i just think "so what? is that it? was that the entire reason you had a full-on scum read on him after 6 pages?"

also not a fan here, they seem to contradict their use of meta by saying their meta of a player is off? doesn't make sense

overall this push on morph seems really bad and I now SR muffin

[PlusJOYED]

do I sr muffin more than bulge tho?
probably, I can see more townie motivation in bulge than muffin but i still scumlean bulge
UNVOTE: bulge
VOTE: muffin

[midwaybear]

Sell me on Bell and sell me on Prism and sell me on Plus because right now I see your Plus read and I think you're a psychopath so I wanna know if you're just a psychopath or if ur just scum.

Bell: 489 stuck out to me as a load of baloney. Reasoning outlined in 755. That said, I'm interested in what he meant here

The signal to noise ratio is starting to hit me and I don’t want to fall behind.

What did you mean by signal to noise ratio? I still don't really understand what it means, and I'm not sure if it was even true.
Also, there's a lot more passive/buddying comments in his iso than there is solving.
Plus: His opening few posts were just really bad and I don't understand the logic behind some of his reads(Bulge). I don't think my scumread is super strong here, and he seems to be solving now. What morph said about playstyle might be applicable.
Prism: I don't know why I townread this slot but his name sorta just popped in my head when I was thinking about reads. Come back to me later on this but I might be conf biased

[midwaybear]

town buzzword energy

What does this even mean

[PlusJOYED]

town buzzword energy

What does this even mean

they show townie energy/motivation. Would you be more interested in reading 30 pages in one sitting if you were town or scum? Scum doesn't care as much.
Also, I liked their responses to old stuff, it feels like what I do as town when catching up

[midwaybear]

I would be equally interested to read the game as town or scum. Scum definitely cares about what's going on in the game? If you were scum, are you saying you wouldn't try to catch up on what you missed? Seems like a recipe for disaster.
What do you mean by buzzword though? Also, why were you scumreading Bulge outside of Prism push again?

[PlusJOYED]

I would be equally interested to read the game as town or scum. Scum definitely cares about what's going on in the game? If you were scum, are you saying you wouldn't try to catch up on what you missed? Seems like a recipe for disaster.
What do you mean by buzzword though? Also, why were you scumreading Bulge outside of Prism push again?

yeah, it's not the strongest towntell, but it is protown, I mainly liked their responses
"buzzwords" was a bit of a joke from a while back

Bulge was focusing on fluff and stuff that means nothing, hiding reads, contradicted himself very early, and also the fact that he didn't respond really to notsci's TR bugs me

[morph the cat]

Unvote

- sync

The Secret Tunnels dial hasn't swung all the way to town. I'm starting to think we'll get there.

@PlusJoyed my 3 am brain was, without actually looking at the thread, thinking very similar thoughts about a fairly wide swath of game stuff that zmuffin hasn't posted about, while spending most of his time negging us.

Bork you want to talk about how terrible our read of you and GiF is?

Back to rereading.

[PlusJOYED]

sorry but whose bork and GiF? are those nicknames?

[morph the cat]

The Remilia hydra. I'll try to include hydra names going forward!

[Remilia Scarlet]

I was in my bed all day yesterday due to sick and I prob should stay in bed resting more but I'm sure y'all missed my pretty self.
So what's up fellas

[morph the cat]

I was in my bed all day yesterday due to sick and I prob should stay in bed resting more but I'm sure y'all missed my pretty self.
So what's up fellas

Help I think muffin is evil.

Please stick him inside your fridge.

[morph the cat]

Also, if you can catch up thoughts on Secret Tunnels?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Oh I haven't read yet I think I need to read like 25 pages which is orz

[morph the cat]

Oh I haven't read yet I think I need to read like 25 pages which is orz

I will have a gold star AND a lollipop ready at the end for being a really good gif.

[Remilia Scarlet]

innocentvillager

That's the name I haven't seen in a long long time

[Remilia Scarlet]

If I go MIA that means I crashed btw
I really shouldn't have closed the window before I go to sleep 2 days ago
But it was such a cool weather outside and I just couldn't resist

[The Bulge]

Bulge was focusing on fluff and stuff that means nothing, hiding reads, contradicted himself very early, and also the fact that he didn't respond really to notsci's TR bugs me

have you pointed that contradiction out to me yet?

[The Bulge]

ali any reason you skipped my posts on first read? none are particularly long