Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Something_Smart]

Like they're setting up plans for the future based on flips they already know.

What flips?

[The Bulge]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

-b

you don't sound like you believe it could be SvS at all, why leave that part in?

[Bell]

I’m confused at maria’s Alisae angle comment.
What bothers me a lot about alisae is the angles they’re taking.

[Bell]

Second time this game I’m having people use similar alignment indicators and reaching the opposite conclusion.

[midwaybear]

Sorta had planned this own thing that I was going to try to read Alisae on, but it hasn't really appeared.
Bell what angles?

[Bell]

Sorta had planned this own thing that I was going to try to read Alisae on, but it hasn't really appeared.
Bell what angles?

Gunna put you tentatively back in the town pile I think for this post. Maybe i’m severely underestimating you.

I already explained and Borkjerfkin already explained why we think their opening entrance was suspicious.
Her reads are balanced in such a way that it doesn’t really effect her ability to miseliminate anyone.

[zMuffinMan]

i would be surprised if anyone got a town read on alisae from that string of catch-up posts

(excepting plusjoyed, who seems to be viewing this game with backwards goggles on or something)

i can only assume mariar means something further down the line when talking about 'angles'

[PlusJOYED]

that's it

I've been expecting that your squinty-eyes in our direction were going to lead to an attempt to engage and sort us. It's starting to bug me a little that you haven't.

i wouldn't say im putting it off, just not ready yet

i dislike this stalling but it could be just how you play town

[April Ludgate]

Maria’s lack of committing to a Zmuffin read noted. Th high town read, but not too high also noted.

If Maia is scum, zmuffin town, zmuffin is where scum should be setting up. If Maria scum, muffin scum, it’s not adding pressure to muffin, but making sure that if zmuffin goes down, Maria isn’t incriminated majorly.

If both town, then scum are going to coast this. However, PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out. Now to figure out if it’s town zmuffin or scum.

[April Ludgate]

My high town read*

[PlusJOYED]

I think you at least show a bit of a towny mindset I just don't get your methodology at all

[Remilia Scarlet]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

-b

you don't sound like you believe it could be SvS at all, why leave that part in?

1) I don't feel like that's what I said. do you really think that's what I said?

There is definite potential scum motivation here to clear a buddy; I was asserting that I didn't think it was likely to have happened in that way; I think it's incredibly more likely than the first alternative I mentioned.

2) Even if I said I was dismissing both of those possibilities, why would I

not

include my thought process about it?

-b

[April Ludgate]

Either we hit Zmuffin scum, or scum are waiting for it to pick up more naturally to pick up. Plus as scum is tinfoil, but that’s not a day 1 worry right now.

[PlusJOYED]

Alisae Bell PlusJOYED

The Bulge, April Ludgate

midwaybear, zmuffin man Secret Tunnel

Something_Smart

420 Blaze It Remilia Scarlet

Yeah this feels right

no morph read yet? I can see the rest though tbh

[Remilia Scarlet]

PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.

Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

-b

[PlusJOYED]

PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.

Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

-b

yeah I'm not a big fan of this either

[Bell]

This is something I have noticed and it makes me very sad.

[PlusJOYED]

Maria’s lack of committing to a Zmuffin read noted. Th high town read, but not too high also noted.

If Maia is scum, zmuffin town, zmuffin is where scum should be setting up. If Maria scum, muffin scum, it’s not adding pressure to muffin, but making sure that if zmuffin goes down, Maria isn’t incriminated majorly.

If both town, then scum are going to coast this. However, PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out. Now to figure out if it’s town zmuffin or scum.

part of me wonders why the wagons have been so slow. I'd think if one of our wagons was scum and the other town, scum would jump on the town wagon right? Maybe this playerlist is vote shy or something

[April Ludgate]

PlusJoy and I have both been on zmuffin, and nothing has broken out.

Also is worth nothing that over half the people in the game are not voting and instead voicing reads; curious to know what you expect to be happening

-b

That’s exactly part of it, i don’t know why you’re separating that. They’ve been established in the game as multiple non voters, which is fine, I don’t mind that. I don’t even really participate in RVS anymore, even though I like the analysis of RVS. It establishes the primary gamestate, which is how Morph the Cat became the centerpiece of this game just by posting the most on the early pages alongside having a solid presence throughout the game.

I feel there was also my chapter when I came into the game, also Alisae, so now putting all these chapters per se into one continuous story, we can try to reverse engineer who the scum team is, and predict where they are heading towards based on gamestate.

There lies the need for necessary flips.

[zMuffinMan]

most of the people in this player list don't throw their votes around that much in my experience

also there's a certain dynamic that you and april seem to be somehow missing anyway

[April Ludgate]

This is something I have noticed and it makes me very sad.

Honestly, here’s the thing, I actually think it’s beneficial for town of town take advantage of that. I personally believe scum is taking a go with the flow type of mentality with this game rather than taking hard action.

And it will end up biting them in the end. I believe the 4 of us are town, and I have seen Plus joyed and Bell’s trajectory throughout this game, and Remelia, while i scum read the style naturally, I feel that they are town based on general attitude to the game.

We are taking action in a way that we’re trying to solve, and I see that.

Scum have to act or we’re naturally going to town read each other further than this.

[Remilia Scarlet]

i don’t know why you’re separating that.

I'm trying to figure out what you mean and I think I have your answer - people just expressing a willingness to vote
I think on some level you

have

to separate it - having x in a list of scumreads is a lot different than commiting to voting x

-b

[April Ludgate]

most of the people in this player list don't throw their votes around that much in my experience

also there's a certain dynamic that you and april seem to be somehow missing anyway

I personally think it’s you that are missing a certain dynamic, and thus can’t see the dynamic I’m actually person.

Whether you’re doing this on purpose to discredit me as scum or genuinely feel that way (as either alignment) is what’s up for debate in my head. It could be a mix of both.

I’m about 50/50 with your slot right now, which means I don’t actually have you as a strong scum read. You do, however, hold an integral part of this game, if you are town, I’m trying to see who is taking advantage of this, and if you’re scum, we need to create an environment where scum are physically forced to take direct action. Those are the readable moments.

[Remilia Scarlet]

while i scum read the style naturally

jesus I think this is the first time in my life I've heard this from multiple people in the same game (Alisae said something similar) and I don't think my style has changed much in the 5 years I've been gone

-b

[Bell]

....April if you say that out right you’re just saying what you think and other players compensate for that plan.
But down the rabbit hole we go when I think, “well okay they’re saying what they think, but if the scum team players around that and April knows this, then he’s just saying this to seem town by saying whatever he thinks town/town him thinks”