Silent Star 2: Menagerie

[Tayl0r Swift]

drusilla, do you think NM recruits Pooky? Because I don't think Pooky recruits NM

I would be seriously shocked if

anyone

recruited him if scum.

so NM is in the same boat as me, except people have seen NM play scum, no one has seen me play scum so theres even less reason to pick me.

[Loki Dokie]

ok but what is the logic behind Pooky/PlusJoyed.

Do you think I would recruit PlusJoyed or do you think PlusJoyed would've recruited me? Either scenario IMO is a long shot since I've basically never played with him.

can you please explain why you wanted to put PlusJOYED as the 2nd condemnation?

plusjoyed made sense in various worlds to me and their play individually seemed the scummiest out of the non-you players to me, and isis who i was townreading voted there. would you have chosen plusjoyed? somewhat unlikely. would plusjoyed have chosen you? quite possibly.

Why would PlusJoyed choose me? He's literally never played with me before. and then we open up as the first 2 posters? I mean cmon really?

THIS Is WHY PLUSJOYED Was CONFIRMED.

could you explain

Pooky is saying that they make no sense as a scumteam because

they’ve never played together

, so he basically spewed him town with these posts, so that’s why I think he was confirmed.

[Loki Dokie]

drusilla, do you think NM recruits Pooky? Because I don't think Pooky recruits NM

I would be seriously shocked if

anyone

recruited him if scum.

so NM is in the same boat as me, except people have seen NM play scum, no one has seen me play scum so theres even less reason to pick me.

You said you loved playing scum earlier but you have no scumgames on site, correct? So, if you have any offsite, can you link them?

[drusilla]

shiki, let's be pseudo-lovers as apology for the bad reads <3

<3 see above post

I guess I shouldn’t assume, I just don’t see why scum!Ydrasse aligns herself with an unconfirmed slot. Yes, I keep harping on that because has anyone besides me even pointed out that argument? If I hadn’t, would anyone else even considered it? My point is that it’s in scum’s best interest to pair themselves with a confirmed slot. Why? Because confirmed town!me is obviously going to be taken a lot more seriously than unconfirmed me. Because confitown!me can only be defending scum!Ydrasse because I wrongly townread her but unconfirmed me, could presumably also be doing it for self-preservation, so from scum!Ydrass’ pov, why not make her lover a confirmed slot? That’s why I don’t think it’s Ydrasse.

because the pairs as you've just layed out would be town!isis+not mafia, town!loki+ydrasse, plusjoyed+taylor swift. so plusjoyed+taylor swift get eliminated, and ydrasse has to win a one v one on more or less even footing. as they are now ydrasse/you have an advantage over both not mafia and taylor swift built into the pairings.

[Kanna]

I really would prefer to win the game by deciding that Kanna is town
Hectic fix it

would you have bet the game on me? i'd like to think so, but tbh, i thought i looked somewhat shady during the night phase i'm ~surprised i got confirmed

my nonsense gutread is this stumpjob looks like it was done by loki since i remember him thinking i was "definitely town" while i could feel other people suspiciously sideyeing me

over the night phase I finished all the routes through YTTD that I am aware of

!!! i think it's amazing how much work went into it that the choices you make matters in the game! i'm also curious what choices you made the first time but i suppose that's spoilery

[Loki Dokie]

first thought is i'm concerned lokie dokie didn't get confirmed

I’m not unless I’m actually wrong here and so far, I don’t think I am.

[Kanna]

i found taylor scummy independently, but based on pooky flip, i'm not sure she is

does pooky advocate a taylor wagon in c1?

[Tayl0r Swift]

drusilla, do you think NM recruits Pooky? Because I don't think Pooky recruits NM

I would be seriously shocked if

anyone

recruited him if scum.

so NM is in the same boat as me, except people have seen NM play scum, no one has seen me play scum so theres even less reason to pick me.

You said you loved playing scum earlier but you have no scumgames on site, correct? So, if you have any offsite, can you link them?

i could, but i wont. im not linking anyone to my past meta. theres a reason i didnt play mafia for several years and am now here rather than back there. thats not an AI thing. im not linking any games of any alignment from off-site to anyone.

[Kanna]

first thought is i'm concerned lokie dokie didn't get confirmed

I’m not unless I’m actually wrong here and so far, I don’t think I am.

by this, i mean you were almost a UTR yesterday i find it strange you didn't get confirmed over plusjoyed or even me

i suppose mafia could want to purposefully not confirm a mostly townread player for wifom, but in that case, i think they'd try to frame me

[Loki Dokie]

shiki, let's be pseudo-lovers as apology for the bad reads <3

<3 see above post

I guess I shouldn’t assume, I just don’t see why scum!Ydrasse aligns herself with an unconfirmed slot. Yes, I keep harping on that because has anyone besides me even pointed out that argument? If I hadn’t, would anyone else even considered it? My point is that it’s in scum’s best interest to pair themselves with a confirmed slot. Why? Because confirmed town!me is obviously going to be taken a lot more seriously than unconfirmed me. Because confitown!me can only be defending scum!Ydrasse because I wrongly townread her but unconfirmed me, could presumably also be doing it for self-preservation, so from scum!Ydrass’ pov, why not make her lover a confirmed slot? That’s why I don’t think it’s Ydrasse.

because the pairs as you've just layed out would be town!isis+not mafia, town!loki+ydrasse, plusjoyed+taylor swift. so plusjoyed+taylor swift get eliminated, and ydrasse has to win a one v one on more or less even footing. as they are now ydrasse/you have an advantage over both not mafia and taylor swift built into the pairings.

But why wouldn’t scum!Ydrasse have confirmed me? Even Kanna just mentioned she was concerned I wasn’t. And Idk, I have no clue how anyone else thinks, probably least of all NM but I don’t know why he’d pick me not to confirm and it makes even less sense from Ydrasse, since she’s paired with me, so I guess I’m not understanding your argument?

[drusilla]

But why wouldn’t scum!Ydrasse have confirmed me? Even Kanna just mentioned she was concerned I wasn’t. And Idk, I have no clue how anyone else thinks, probably least of all NM but I don’t know why he’d pick me not to confirm and it makes even less sense from Ydrasse, since she’s paired with me, so I guess I’m not understanding your argument?

to pair herself with you, to have an advantage in the pairings.

[Loki Dokie]

drusilla, do you think NM recruits Pooky? Because I don't think Pooky recruits NM

I would be seriously shocked if

anyone

recruited him if scum.

so NM is in the same boat as me, except people have seen NM play scum, no one has seen me play scum so theres even less reason to pick me.

You said you loved playing scum earlier but you have no scumgames on site, correct? So, if you have any offsite, can you link them?

i could, but i wont. im not linking anyone to my past meta. theres a reason i didnt play mafia for several years and am now here rather than back there. thats not an AI thing. im not linking any games of any alignment from off-site to anyone.

Well that’s a real shame because it could definitely help you here if I’m wrong, because all I’ve got now is towngames where you have played 180 degrees differently from this one and Pooky’s weird hedging around your slot. Also, it makes absolutely no sense to call it a “trash” argument. The converse otoh, I could actually see because I’d probably sleep through a marathon, which is why I don’t sign up for them.

[Isis]

I would have bet the game on this progression, Kanna. Possibly even if drusilla was unconfirmed, but definitely against anyone else.
When Pooky highlighted it I felt even surer rereading it

Spoiler:

857 relates to specifically this part of this post

i think it's still right to consider pooky town for the second condemn phase because if he was, we would have a better chance pulling down scum if we went with what he wantedyet if he was scum, he would pull us town but we would already have one scum caught

a lot of this is why i attempted to ask him 'where do we go from here?' which was apparently lost in animal sounds.

i said "we should consider pooky town for c2 because that gives us the best chance to find scum"
dru agrees here and apparently she had also been thinking something similar during c2 (that's why she was asking pooky where he wanted to go)
but when it actually came to the execution part of it, she goes plusjoy

it seems weird to me she got to the point of knowing what pooky wanted was important, and seemed to care enough to try and find that out, but then ignored it when she got the answer

the tmi thing is also relatively nai, just saying. dru/isis are all good players and i think the best way to catch them out is finding what their motivation is

i think drusilla's motivation today has clearly been to advocate for a pooky elim and looking at the reasons, i find them p shaky. she's better than this. which means it's possible she's covering for isis so we should GO ISIS

like i'm feeling slightly iffied because i can't be more convincing because some of this is soulread but i'm trying my best and i just really want this

Kanna you are making my heartstrings wiggle

You wouldn't be evil enough to post like that as scum would you?

what does it mean to have your heartstrings wiggle?

this is like my townie heart at it's peak

[Isis]

!!! i think it's amazing how much work went into it that the choices you make matters in the game! i'm also curious what choices you made the first time but i suppose that's spoilery

I think you know enough about me to know what one of the choices I preferred was

[Loki Dokie]

first thought is i'm concerned lokie dokie didn't get confirmed

I’m not unless I’m actually wrong here and so far, I don’t think I am.

by this, i mean you were almost a UTR yesterday i find it strange you didn't get confirmed over plusjoyed or even me

i suppose mafia could want to purposefully not confirm a mostly townread player for wifom, but in that case, i think they'd try to frame me

Idk but if it is actually Tayl0r, than it definitely would make sense for her not to want to confirm me. NM hammered Pooky on D1, never voted Isis and only voted him after she scumread her, so I don’t really see the associatives between them. NM is such a frustrating player and got misvenged in a recent game but I think he’s more likely to distance his buddy in a more obvious way. Idk but if it is Tayl0r, she made brilliant choices. I still don’t get Drusilla’s argument on why scum!Ydrasse wouldn’t have aligned herself with a confirmed slot, whether it was me or not. I suppose it could be NM but why wouldn’t scum!NM confirm a slot who’s been defending him allgame? Maybe I’m just overthinking it.

[Isis]

It's pretty easy to overthink N_M play.

[drusilla]

I still don’t get Drusilla’s argument on why scum!Ydrasse wouldn’t have aligned herself with a confirmed slot, whether it was me or not.

if town!loki's argument is to repeatedly say 'mafia would never be lovers with an unconfirmed', why would scum!ydrasse not want to be paired with town!loki?

[Loki Dokie]

I still don’t get Drusilla’s argument on why scum!Ydrasse wouldn’t have aligned herself with a confirmed slot, whether it was me or not.

if town!loki's argument is to repeatedly say 'mafia would never be lovers with an unconfirmed', why would scum!ydrasse not want to be paired with town!loki?

But all of this happened before that even occurred to me, so how would Ydrasse even know this? I didn’t even realize it at first. Also, why does she even pick me over Kanna who apparently is much better at reading her or it would seem based off of Kanna townreading her tone. Or why not you? Why does she even pick me? This is yet another reason why I think it points to Tayl0r, because between NM, Ydrasse and Tayl0r, Tayl0r has the least reason to confirm me. Does anyone think it likely that scum!Tayl0r would confirm me? I definitely don’t.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Ydrasse and Loki

[Kanna]

or maybe it isn't so unlikely that i was in the top 4 townslots :s i think i just think that because i played badly

current thoughts are loki's insistence that it's taylor pings me as well as the non confirm. he is also subtly defending ydrasse, which he has to do here if he were scum

technically nothing should have changed between yesterday when i was townreading him and now but it has. i will have to look at why i was townreading him. i feel bad though, because if it's loki, he's played really well

[Kanna]

town *should* vote the pair with 2 unconfirmeds, but it also just happens the slots i'm finding suspicious right now are those 2 slots. but i definitely don't want to end the day before thinking it through

[Kanna]

mmmmmm but i think it's just loki and if not, then ydrasse

taylor is towny for the deadline hammer + pooky's early wagoning
n_m i think is more likely town than not

there's the argument that scum wouldn't want to pair with an unconfirmed, but that's wifom

[Kanna]

I think you know enough about me to know what one of the choices I preferred was

i want to hug isis ✿

[Isis]

I want to hug Kanna

[Isis]

I had the same paranoia about Loki not being confirmed and how narrow his focus on Taylor is right now. But his thought process itself still seems town to me. On a macro level he is pushing the chess pieces the way they would need to be pushed if he is scum, but I feel like he is still wiggling them into the corners of spaces like a townie as he moves them.

It does feel a little like throwing not to clear Taylor for the hammer. I want to continue to play to maybe nail down that read.