Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Menalque]

to be honest if i was scum, teacher would have died night 1

I thought his roleclaim was nonsense and it was. You never get informed named townie. What you get is informed cop. I really wanted to ask teacher if he was informed on the rolestoppers alignment. Hope i didnt help out him as cop with my set up spec


Any one have any clue which of his named 5 town was his nigth 1 check.

I mean you say this but it's all WIFOM

didn't you say the thing about informed townie yesterday or whatever?

also yes, Taylor is almost definitely the check unless he had her as strong town D1 in which case maaaaybe he had a red on kerset, but Occam's is that Taylor is green

[Menalque]

but Taylor was I think mildly town spewed anyway as the CW to kerset on D1

[Menalque]

ooh, pagetops for daddy

[Menalque]

disregarding the claim NDMath is scummy but eh andres claim makes sense with them
Ydrasse hard downgrade, idk I don't really see a lot of solving and the big thing I was vibing before was my gut townpings but goodbye to that. hammer + reread means they move down to null with a slight scumlean

why is math towny for claim? I think the claim is more or less NAI

re:ydra okay, but again, if ydra is scum she's clearly meant to be the deepwolf, no? so why does she (1) draw a load of attention to herself with an early hammer and (2) not really get anything out of it but an elim on someone going down anyway. like IV was prob dying there. if plus!scum then maaaaaaaaybe but even then it's much more likely to be (bob, osuka, math) imo

[Menalque]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

[shellyc]

Ydrasse's hammer could be intended hammer for him to wifom it out

[Menalque]

As scum i would know he was a pr. So teacher would have died and not saud. Ask andre even as town i spoted all 3 masons day one last game. Game before that spotted all the pr by day 2 and killed teh vig night one.

scum game before that killed a town pr every nigth until i ran out.
Scum game before that spotted neap day one and 2 masons aswell. Spotted back up mason but got his role wrong.
same realy with my town games to.

like I'm not gonna dispute that you're good at PR hunting as scum but this is still pretty much just straight WIFOM

for one thing, yes, you have a good track record but that doesn't mean that you're a perfect PR hunter as scum and it's possible you just missed

or alternatively, it's possible kerset just overrode you on the saud kill because he was worried about getting tunnelled again and thought he'd have better chances of living with saud dead? which is to say that I can see you not eliminating teacher even if you had suspicions that he was PR for team reasons

[Menalque]

Ydrasse's hammer could be intended hammer for him to wifom it out

huh

what

[shellyc]

ydrasse has lowkey dipped after the hammer

talk to me ydra the voices are telling me that you're scum

pedit: lol im just overthinking everything here, 3680 was a joke

[Menalque]

dude D2 lasted like 24 hours idk how you can say that anyone "dipped"

[Menalque]

yeah but even as a joke like I literally don't know what you mean


who is "he" here?

[shellyc]

why is math towny for claim? I think the claim is more or less NAI

rolestopper + ascetic + a checker makes sense as the combo to me, though im not very experienced at setup spec

pedit: I mean around the hammer mainly. Mena tell me something ydrasse did this game /other than the hammer/

pedit: ydrasse but sorry i just realised that I misgendered

[shellyc]

I meant ydra's hammer was intended to make post 3478

[bob3141]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

[bob3141]

Informed town is normaly always paired with a pr. In teachers case he needed to know there was rolestopper due to his loyal modifier.

incidentally, is this true

this feels incredibly broad but I can't remember enough concrete examples either way

a player is only informed if there is reason. sometimes players arnt informed but have role to inform them of the nature of the game.

Vannila townie on his own being informed of scum roel does not fit this. A pr however.

Examples in a game with a scum strongman joat with no town protective. The reason to warm scum of a broken combo. Tracker, watcher and rolecop.

informed goon. warns scum that IC is buttleproof

informed cop. informed that doc could be scum and is confirmable. Warning dont play follow the cop as he could be scum.


in this informed of rolestopper. whielle having loyal modifier. warns that a no result isnt a guilty.




There is never any reason for player to be informed of a scum role just for teh sake of it. informed is use to warn a player that usual good game play could be bad. i.e. scum killing in teh night IC not knowing it buttleproof. And their kill failing

[bob3141]

why is math towny for claim? I think the claim is more or less NAI

rolestopper + ascetic + a checker makes sense as the combo to me, though im not very experienced at setup spec

pedit: I mean around the hammer mainly. Mena tell me something ydrasse did this game /other than the hammer/

pedit: ydrasse but sorry i just realised that I misgendered

check in this game is town. Its meant to work with the cop.

loyal cop targets non rolestopper/ ascetic scum. he doesnt know but a check would know that his result failed due to loyal modifier

[bob3141]

This is just shade on andre. Like why does scum claim such a role

[Andresvmb]

Andres, do you have a result?

I successfully checked Osuka, which means they were not Rolestopped. However, I still want to execute there.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Osuka

You will remember that Osuka voted for Kerset D1 as a policy and was desperately trying to get away from that vote when it hit 5.

[shellyc]

@andres do you consider someone being rolestopped a cleared / guilty result?

because osuka's probably the no.1 scum rolestop target if it's scum!osuka

[shellyc]

so this leans in favour of town probs

osuka's ISO is pretty aggressive against much of the plist but tbh osuka doesnt have much of a solving mindset?
their logical trajectories (like the kerset one) are remarkably weird

[Andresvmb]

Osuka had a terrible D2 and their progression on Kerset D1 was not positive. Go take a look. Osuka was still trying to push you shelly and Menalque yesterday which honestly would seem weird for a Scum to do with Kerset under so much pressure but then I realized that Kerset was in fact trying to survive for some reason.

[Andresvmb]

@andres do you consider someone being rolestopped a cleared / guilty result?

because osuka's probably the no.1 scum rolestop target if it's scum!osuka

There is no way to tell what a Rolestopped result means anymore because I already revealed what I do. I just wanted to distract away from the Cop so we would get a result.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I will only be voting in {Osuka, plusJOYED} today. And frankly the setup spec is all great but I would like to see some hard stances on players at this point from Bob.

[Menalque]

can you tell me what makes you think osuka > plus? I thought plus' transition on kerset from TRing to the vote seemed super super bus-y and I'd need to go through D1 again but I also think he was the main slot pushing the Taylor CW when kerset was under pressure?