Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[PenguinPower]

link to VC on this page

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 1.009
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	Pine	EL-6	3	3	3	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	Fun and Games, Ydrasse	EL-5	2	3	3	SirCakez
GeorgeBailey	None	EL-7	3	3	4	GeorgeBailey
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	SirCakez	EL-6	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	1	Nosferatu
DoctorPepper	None	EL-7	3	3	3	DoctorPepper
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	DoctorPepper, Gamma Emerald	EL-5	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	Bingle, PenguinPower, Albert B. Rampage, Nosferatu	EL-3	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	None	EL-7	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	GeorgeBailey, beeboy, CreativeMod1
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-27 23:16:10)
Notes: DoctorPepper is V/LA until Sept 25 CreativeMod1 has not yet posted since being prodded. pagetops: Lilith 4 | penguin 5 | ABR 1 | gamma 1

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma why are you voting Fun and Games? They're probably the most townie slot right now. Besides their mech-talk, they're actually suggesting town strategies and are trying to scum hunt.

my level of focus on this game is abysmal tbh
I just felt like counterwagoning, and F&G was someone I remembered being scummy earlier on when I was paying more attention

[PenguinPower]

nooooo

I have pulled ahead!

[PenguinPower]

@Gamma why are you voting Fun and Games? They're probably the most townie slot right now. Besides their mech-talk, they're actually suggesting town strategies and are trying to scum hunt.

my level of focus on this game is abysmal tbh
I just felt like counterwagoning, and F&G was someone I remembered being scummy earlier on when I was paying more attention

While I give you ++ for counterwagoning pls explain the scummy stuff you remembered from earlier when you were paying more attention.

[Gamma Emerald]

The setup spec early on felt like trying to draw out info from the town

[PenguinPower]

Cake is a better wagon. Hop on there and make a true counterwagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna have to ask some questions about that one, namely "why?"

[PenguinPower]

True counterwagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

not why I should vote there, but why are you voting there

[Gamma Emerald]

actually, why are you telling me to vote there, rather than trying to get me on board the wagon you're actually on

[PenguinPower]

Voting where? You say there but those are two different theres.

[PenguinPower]

actually, why are you telling me to vote there, rather than trying to get me on board the wagon you're actually on

That's Bingle's job.

[Gamma Emerald]

No? Unless you just voted for wagoning's sake. And even then it makes little sense to push me to vote a wagon you're not on, honestly.

[PenguinPower]

You should read the game more.

[PenguinPower]

Gamma probs town tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I can definitely see someone missing the part about doctors being able to reduce knowledge by 1 each night or the part that if any stat is reduced to 0 it will result in death.

Except... He didn't just miss the part about the doctors being able to reduce knowledge. He missed multiple different places where multitasking was confirmed.

Multitasking was confirmed in post 1, under deadlines.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 5, 4 times under the actions heading, in every paragraph.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 6, once under Resolution/Interaction of Night Actions, once under attacks/steals, and once under Results.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 7, under General Setup Information and under the Doctor Faction.
Multitasking was confirmed in post 8, in the sample role PM. You know, the sample role PM that would mirror the role PM SirCakes would have gotten as town.

The Lab win condition, by comparison, was confirmed only in post 4.

So, in order for SirCakez to be telling the truth about the multitasking being forgotten, he had to have read how actions work in order to make his N0 actions and his own role PM in order to confirm. He also provably is scum or read at least enough of the rules to understand the secondary wincondition is {Scum activate Labs}.

I find it way more likely that SirCakez was trying to townslip as scum by "not being aware" of that aspect of the game than that he forgot something that came up in literally every rules post and his own role PM after reading the rules. I find it way way more likely that he's scum trying to fake a townslip than that he didn't look at any of the rules posts after having not remembered them but had read them in the first place WHILE ATTEMPTING TO ENGAGE IN SETUP SPEC.

I find it way more likely that SC is scum than that SC is town who came into the thread to do setup spec, then shifted directly to complaining about how he's not good at setup spec without doing anything else.

So I read Bingle's ISO a bit and it turns out he SRs both Sc and Ydrasse, and out of those two I like the reasoning put forward against SC more, this seems like a sound mini-case
VOTE: SirCakez

[SirCakez]

not why I should vote there, but why are you voting there

he can't even explain Gamma don't bother asking

[GeorgeBailey]

Do you think there is a quantity of games played as town/modded that makes you not newbscum or is it just a function of actually playing as scum, GB?

I feel like after 3 or so scum games, people usually iron out suspicious behaviors as scum. Like being overly defensive, copying reads list, forced scum hunting, fence sitting, etc. So, both?

Also, what do you think of Nos/Ydrasse independently? If exactly one of them is scum, which do you think it is?

Ydrasse. I don't see a reason for a Doctor to be so low or hurt themselves.

[CreativeMod1]

Hello all, I'm here

Sorry I always get a little overwhelmed for day 1 because there's just so much talking but not a lot of actual stuff

Nosferatu, could you explain why you've got only 1 knowledge? I have a reason for my question and I'll explain it after you've answered

[Nosferatu]

Hello all, I'm here :)

Sorry I always get a little overwhelmed for day 1 because there's just so much talking but not a lot of actual stuff

Nosferatu, could you explain why you've got only 1 knowledge? I have a reason for my question and I'll explain it after you've answered

no

[CreativeMod1]

Lol fair, urm...

Okay, sod it, lets go for some blind trust and hope for the best, given the power we talked about earlier about how the doctors can reduce a players knowledge stat by 1, which would kill Nosferatu if used on them...I'm gonna do something about that I got a once per game ability that I can use at any time and I think I'm gonna use it now to prevent the doctors from getting a cheap and easy kill in the night

[Nosferatu]

id rather u didnt

[CreativeMod1]

Why not?

[Nosferatu]

am i getting trolled?