Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[morph the cat]

Chapter One:

Well Above The Bell Curve

Spay-half says...

Bell - Remembrance, it all makes sense now. Unless he's already revealed his previous life in other games, I feel like lowering the cloak here is an additional townpoint. I mean, as scum he could have kept that info back and continued to post stuff I was loving and gotten an easy townread.I like his confidence in thinking he can meta scum-zmuffin into the ground, if that's what we have here. (Prior: the easy, almost free-association posting at the start of the game felt really town to both of us. Followed by an insane number of "thinking what we're thinking when we're thinking it" moments. Like more than I've ever run into with an unknown player before. When he gets down into the reasoning behind those moments, we find that reasoning solid and consistent.)

Neuter-half says...

Bell came into the thread spitting fire at S_S early. But instead of trying to keep up with that, we instead see an immediate transition into a townread on midwaybear, for much the same reasons as I did... I hope! 187/193 is quite the jagged swap onto plusjoyed, when we were hinting at/making sounds at it, and then a townish read at S_S. I feel like mafia-bell makes that slide off and onto plusjoyed much less abruptly. 239 is a fairly early townbin of the exact same townbin that we had at that point in time. Calling us an IC is one helluva pocket-attempt if this is a mafia-bell world. Why does bell ever make that joke as mafia, intending to kill us or not? It does nothing but look terrible post-flip. Conclusion: Bell was just shooting the shit and talking about his townread like ffery goes mama bear "I would believe the cop is insane rather than you are mafia" on her townreads sometimes. Several pretty significant townreading-this-slot reasons form the first 50 posts. I'm not gonna bother doing the rest of the Bell ISO because if you don't see it from their first 50 posts, you probably never will. And then I'll cry. And then drown in the puddle that is my tears. And then haunt you by meowing outside your door at 4 AM even though you don't have a cat.

Chapter Two:

Just Grin and Bear It

Spay-half says...

This is primarily a meta dive read and we're not interested in giving him a roadmap of the differences in his town and scum play. Subtracting that stuff out, the things that stand out are the in-the-moment nitpickiness, grabbing at strings and yanking them to see where they go. There's such a touching artless literal-mindedness to his in the moment questions. If this read is wrong, ffery's going to retire again.

Neuter-half says...

Nah why meta if you aren't willing to burn it all down. Midwaybear has a very specific is-mafia tell. And that is that they go out of their way to give reads on the entire field early. Like first 48 hoursish of day one level early. It used to be lots of fluffposting but that arms race ship already sailed out to war. Such a post of spoiler= tags for each player is not present in a single completed town game of his. Guess what isn't in this thread DESPITE calls for people to start dumping reads lists!

Chapter Three:

I Think This Fridge is Borked, Man

Spay-half says...

I have put too much of my own thoughts and stances into the game thread already to get a solid GiF read this time, probably. If a solid GiF read happens, it will be for other reasons, than the usual. So, I'm quite content sorting this slot via Bork. I have Bork as a top tier townread. He shows irritability, trajectory of reads, that weird convergence/divergence that Bork and I do, where we often wind up with similar reads on some players but get there via different data streams. That's all town-bork. The slowness of forming a read on me is also town-bork, but I figure he's long since imported that into his scum repertoire, so it doesn't count to the same degree as other points do. During the confirmation stage and his one later appearance in the thread, GiF was hitting the tonal stuff beautifully but there was no hard analytical edge or squinty eyes in my direction and that would worry me if he weren't sick. On an objective basis, Remilia should have been higher in our first list. Bork's questions, trying to get us to commit on a zmuffin read (something we will do pretty soon!) is also classic borktown, even though I am notorious for holding back some of my reads both because I want them to settle and for strategic reasons, like getting a coveted solid GiF read.

Neuter-half says...

Even if we ignore the meta-book (More like an encyclopedia set) Borkgif has been in a unique spot several times where stirring the shit-pot would have been natural and easy to do. Instead, there's been back-off, re-evaluation, and air-clearing. Remilia truly is the best air freshener scent, sometimes. My reservation initially was that gif was lurking because more of this player list can read him over bork, but irl medical things gonna irl medical. I feel that the level of play has been consistent, and I am content to follow spayhalf to the ends of the earth on her brokread.

This marks the end of our top tier of townreads.

Compilation of the top tier of our reads list. {Bell, Midway, Remilia}

[Something_Smart]

This is very sad. What's wrong with me this game?

I touched on this before, but I didn't elaborate, and I don't remember if you asked me to (sorry if you did and I neglected to).

But like... I really vibed with your analytical attitude in WW&V, to the point where I was quite curious to find out who you were because I really liked how you played. You had in general what felt like solid points, sound reasoning, not jumping to conclusions, looking at things logically, etc. All that good shit.

And here... you just seem to be playing more or less like an average player. Throwing out reads, asking questions and poking people, pushing your reads and trying to reconcile them with others. It feels like night and day. And I might be being hasty here, but you are playing what would be a fairly typical scumgame. And I know you are capable of an extremely atypical and interesting towngame. So... hence the placement. (Which was really only in a null-scum zone. Even having anyone that far down on D1 is somewhat unusual for me.)

[PlusJOYED]

he has done similar stuff before I mentioned in my readlist, to midway too when he said that bell asking for a readlist was forced
do you think that's a scumtell or a towntell iv?

i wanna go back to this since it seems like iv isn't here and I don't wanna drop it just yet.

If a player points out a weird minor thing that someone said, that frames them as scummy (possibly), but doesn't equate that to a SR yet. I see SS doing this once before with midway after he said bells request for readlists was forced, and again with how i ordered my readlist. Bulge did it to a lesser extent too a few times. The way I see it is one of 2 ways:

if they are scum, they could be trying to tentatively get wagons going on players while being safe, whereas doing the same thing but with a vote attached is more suspicious.

if they are town, they could be seeing things that are scummy but since they don't know who scum is they are being cautious to avoid a mislim and/or trying to understand the reasoning

Right now, in SS case i think it's the latter, primarily based on tone and how they handled

[April Ludgate]

These chapters are definitely a bit fluffy, but I still like them, and they’re there for analysis on later days if need be.

[morph the cat]

words or something idk

You have homework to read. I assigned chapter three. I expect a book report due before class.

[morph the cat]

These chapters are definitely a bit fluffy, but I still like them, and they’re there for analysis on later days if need be.

Welcome to morph reads. These are the condensed versions.

[midwaybear]

I'm not sure what to say. Maybe I forgot how to play town.
Well all my reads in WWV were wrong, but I don't think that accounts for it. Because in mini normal 2156, I think i was somewhat "crazy" and had decent reads.
I really don't know. I do know that it is (was?) true that my towngame has those elements. This is a little sad to hear for some reason. I do think I have been trying to use more words instead of a previous minimal style, but I'm not sure.
Thanks for saying that though

[midwaybear]

You had in general what felt like solid points, sound reasoning, not jumping to conclusions, looking at things logically, etc. All that good shit.

I'm not sure how accurate this is/was though. I rarely explained how I got to any reads before

[morph the cat]

Not gonna engage with the chapterbook-shaped elephant in the room, midway?

[midwaybear]

Later...
never had a read on Scarlet, but Bell reminds me of me this game for some reason. Not sure what my read on him is anymore

[morph the cat]

These chapters are definitely a bit fluffy, but I still like them, and they’re there for analysis on later days if need be.

When spay-half meta-reads people, less is more, in terms of maintaining advantage in the arms race. We're burning a nice tell on midway, but it's something he was likely to outgrow anyway as his play evolves. spay-half prefers to keep a lot of her analysis handwavy and woo-filled. Even so, there are players on site who see through all that and know exactly how to dodge.

[PlusJOYED]

morph i don't know if there's really much for me to say. I agree strongly on bell town for my own conclusions, yours didn't really add or subtract anything.

Midway i think is playing townie and while I guess they feel a little generic/average as you said, I don't know them and nothing has really scumpinged me from them. Given I think morph is town and you TR midway for meta stuff too, i'll take your word for it somewhat.

remillia i'm gonna disagree with you on since it appears pretty meta based and that you agree with their reads mostly. I don't count either of those things and they seem a little on the scummy side to me

[midwaybear]

We're burning a nice tell on midway, but it's something he was likely to outgrow anyway as his play evolves.

I think my play just changed, but it's still a little sad because I do like how I played town before but I don't know how to replicate it. I'm not sure.

[Secret Tunnel]

Plus, I don’t know if I agree that those are the exact and only primary motivations for each alignment but I do think you’re thinking in the right way about this. I personally don’t townlean or scumlean SS from his handling of the situation; in either case it seems he was just pointing something out that wasn’t necessarily AI in his mind.

-innocentvillager

[morph the cat]

morph i don't know if there's really much for me to say. I agree strongly on bell town for my own conclusions, yours didn't really add or subtract anything.

Midway i think is playing townie and while I guess they feel a little generic/average as you said, I don't know them and nothing has really scumpinged me from them. Given I think morph is town and you TR midway for meta stuff too, i'll take your word for it somewhat.

remillia i'm gonna disagree with you on since it appears pretty meta based and that you agree with their reads mostly. I don't count either of those things and they seem a little on the scummy side to me

The problem here, is that some of what you're scumreading them for -- tone -- is a feature of bork's towngame. I think what you're seeing as stress, is something I label as "irritability", though I'm not sure that's any closer to what bork's actually feeling/thinking in those kinds of posts.

[midwaybear]

idk I sorta townread SS for that comment about my play

[Alisae]

ok i need to read up I've been watching anime and not playing lol sorry about that

[Alisae]

im pretty happy i decided prism was town before that replaced in

how did you reach this conclusion

[Alisae]

... sounds to me like you're apathetic scum here. i've liked your posts a lot less than prisms even

how could you like their posts less there's nothing there to even like or dislike there's like no content

[Alisae]

I'm conflicted on Joyed now.
They seemed pure but something about their reads feels weird to me.

[Alisae]

morph
Bell, Bulge, +J
Maria, Tunnel
April, Muffin, Remilia, 420, Alisae
midwaybear

this is without rereading any posts

this readlist could be town maybe?

[Alisae]

I'll be around while watching like 1 or maybe 2 episodes of anime before I get stoned but like I wanna smoke weed so no promises.

[PlusJOYED]

I'll be around while watching like 1 or maybe 2 episodes of anime before I get stoned but like I wanna smoke weed so no promises.

i wish that was me
instead im stuck debugging with mafia breaks

[morph the cat]

for convenience AND

amusement

you say that now. but i feel like anyone who has any knowledge of how i abuse PTs wouldn't (or shouldn't) say that. at first, maybe, but if ever i don't leave a mod feeling like they want to put themselves out of their misery, i haven't done my job in a PT

spay-half remembers modding a Tarot game where your PT abuse was highly amusing and one of the highlights of the game from a behind the curtain perspective.

[Alisae]

for convenience AND

amusement

you say that now. but i feel like anyone who has any knowledge of how i abuse PTs wouldn't (or shouldn't) say that. at first, maybe, but if ever i don't leave a mod feeling like they want to put themselves out of their misery, i haven't done my job in a PT

spay-half remembers modding a Tarot game where your PT abuse was highly amusing and one of the highlights of the game from a behind the curtain perspective.

note to self
spray is ffery and the other half is cabd got it