Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[a2rudeboy]

Galron- I'm good where I stand. I have two people I'll vote for today. That is all.

[Galron]

If you don't want to prove your case and would rather waste your day then :shrug:

[Titus]

Starbuck, so let me get this straight, your objection is that I am paying attention? Rather than look at my reads wall for details and interact, you object to content even existing?

[Galron]

Why are you protecting Siteflake by missrepping me? Remember when I asked you to take a look at Leia? Did you forget that already?

Stupid shit like this is why you always get eliminated, DD.

It's not a misrepresentation to ask why you aren't on dave's ass as equally if -- WAGON FUCKIN WIDE, WHICH IS THE IMPORTANT DETAIL HERE -- you think that it's so likely that scum will troll the fucking thread.

I do remember that. I also remember asking you why you thought they were new. No answer. I also remember asking you to quote the TD case. No answer.

Don't fucking step up to me when you've not got a leg to stand on and not expect me to tear your Goddamn face off.

Do you need to be so abrasive? Seriously, this is a good post but it's too easy to get lost in the color.

[NoPowerOverMe]

And iceprint is TRing him?

TRing?

Townreading

[Galron]

Do you want another Alch situation gumming up the works? If he's not 3P I wanna hear it from him. So far he's done about nothing but lament about how little he's done.

Alch never actually fucked anything up, so, that doesn't work for me. That's an excuse. You're literally fishing against his soft and I reeeeeeally don't like it.

@CHK Galron is the best wagon that has happened today xD.

Why?

I don't know how you can say Alch wasn't a factor in that game. Every decision made the last 3 days had to take him into consideration and whether it was going to mess us over. Just his very presence affected the game. So here we have someone who says he has no good reason to help us out, and I'm thinking why in the world do I want to deal with that again? We have enough unknowns. It also makes me wonder about DGB rn because she should be all over this.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, so let me get this straight, your objection is that I am paying attention? Rather than look at my reads wall for details and interact, you object to content even existing?

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

It's also concerning to me that you keep flip flopping my thoughts nearly each time you address me in this game. It's happened too many times in a row now to be considered a genuine mistake.

[Iecerint]

IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<

[WaltertheDunce10]

IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<

Is IKS an alt then.

[davesaz]

And other things are wrong with your case too. Go back and reassess please.

If you're town and other people think you're scum, one of the things you should do is reassess what you're doing in the game.

[davesaz]

IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<

Is IKS an alt then.

I assumed so from the name, since you have to already be here to siteflake.

[davesaz]

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

[davesaz]

And other things are wrong with your case too. Go back and reassess please.

If you're town and other people think you're scum, one of the things you should do is reassess what you're doing in the game.

Followup -- if there are people you have played with before and they should recognize your alignment and don't, that's different from people who haven't seen you before.

[Iecerint]

And iceprint is Townreading [him]?

Eh. I'm conflicted about him. I think his pattern of engaging with the game has included testing motivations, which I think is a towntell. He has also made posts that (I perceive as) being motivated to reduce noise, which is another towntell. On the other hand, when he does the former, my sense is that he's mainly focused on whether he gets buy-in from everyone, rather than whether the finding affects his reads. For example, when he cast vague suspicion on me, but then people pointed out that his premise was bogus, he simply dropped it, but he did not engage with people who pointed out that his premise was bogus or revisit this. I think the pattern of thinking about motivations feels town, but how it ends up playing out feels kinda scummy.

This kind of pattern is one that can usually allow alignment to be discerned later in the game, because the pattern of engagement and following-up is modified by associative information if the player is scum. So, between being conflicted about Galron and feeling confident his playstyle will betray him if he's scum, I don't think he's the best shred today.

By contrast, your playstyle and IKS's playstyle doesn't lend itself to "self-correction" in this way. Of the two of you, I think you are more likely to be scum, based on meta+scumtells+how players have responded to both of you.

Right now I think I want to shred in NPOM/IKS/Walter. Players who I think might be scum but I don't particularly want to shred include Galron/DGB/Lavender/Bambi. This is based on the above for Galron, and based on affection for the others.

[Iecerint]

[Him in the quoted NPOM post above = Galron]

[NoPowerOverMe]

How did you go from townreading him to being conflicted?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Or is it just because rude posted a case?

[Titus]

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

Yes. That's NAI.

I admit I have mental health issues that limit my ability to focus, a varied work schedule, and a general hatred of Day 1.

If this IKS wagon goes through without a counter, I am worried Day 2 will be Day 1.5, yet I don't have the energy to actually full on sort players like Starbuck who are in my weak scum category.

Also, flip might be scum but I am definitely not facing a rage bot right now.

[Galron]

And other things are wrong with your case too. Go back and reassess please.

If you're town and other people think you're scum, one of the things you should do is reassess what you're doing in the game.

If by people you mean a2rudeboy, when I've shown that he's factually wrong, as in objectively wrong, as in provably wrong, no. If other people are basing a scumread on me based on his faulty case, then they are on notice, and have been on notice, that it's a faulty case. If they're scumreading me for something else, then fine, let's talk.

[Galron]

And other things are wrong with your case too. Go back and reassess please.

If you're town and other people think you're scum, one of the things you should do is reassess what you're doing in the game.

Followup -- if there are people you have played with before and they should recognize your alignment and don't, that's different from people who haven't seen you before.

I'll ask you to restate this because I don't understand what you're getting at.

[I Keep Siteflaking]

IKS has no completed games. That was fast. <_<

Is IKS an alt then.

there is no way an account called "i keep siteflaking" is an alt

[Starbuck]

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

What's weirding me out is that she has misinterpreted me multiple times now. I'm not sure if she's going out of her way to do it or if her goal is to spin me up, maybe?

I've played with Titus a fair amount over the last few months and I haven't gotten this feeling off her before.

That and her immediate jump to sort me as scum, when I am most definitely town this game, is throwing me for a loop.

[Titus]

My objection is that I don't feel that you're paying attention. You're not as on the ball as I've seen you in previous games.

Yes, this is what I noticed. It's kinda hard to know whether to use it as AI, it seems to me that her availability and attention level seem to fluctuate.

What's weirding me out is that she has misinterpreted me multiple times now. I'm not sure if she's going out of her way to do it or if her goal is to spin me up, maybe?

I've played with Titus a fair amount over the last few months and I haven't gotten this feeling off her before.

That and her immediate jump to sort me as scum, when I am most definitely town this game, is throwing me for a loop.

I haven't misinterpreted you at all. You are different than the Weakest Link. I want to know why but I can't articulate just how you're different.

For instance, you asking me for a readslist then objecting to the very fact I created it, doesn't make much sense. Why not engage with the substance unless looking for something to attack?

What are your thoughts on chkflip and IKS?

[Iecerint]

How did you go from townreading him to being conflicted?

Read the paragraph that starts "I'm conflicted about him" to get the answer to your question. Or, ask a more specific question if part of it isn't clear to you.

Or is it just because rude posted a case?

Rudeboy doesn't figure into it. I'm aware that Rudeboy has said that his only votes for today will be Galron or one other player (I forgot who), but I didn't otherwise have a sense of his thoughts. I looked at it in response to your question. I think it's facile. Someone else posted something else that I think is also kinda facile, can't remember who.

Starbuck has posted some stuff about Galron that jives with my POV.

[davesaz]

And other things are wrong with your case too. Go back and reassess please.

If you're town and other people think you're scum, one of the things you should do is reassess what you're doing in the game.

Followup -- if there are people you have played with before and they should recognize your alignment and don't, that's different from people who haven't seen you before.

I'll ask you to restate this because I don't understand what you're getting at.

I'll give an example based on myself.
If someone who has played with me many times gets on my case for being fence-sitty, I tend to scumread them for that. I (almost) never go all-in on a read, so anyone who knows me should expect me to point out the evidence my read could be wrong. Someone who has never played with me and points this out could be town, so I have to go to the trouble of explaining how it's important for my positions to be nuanced so that after my elimination the remaining town will know how to interpret my posts. If they bother to remember to do that.

Turning this back to your case, you should have different expectations of how people treat you based on whether they have seen you before or not.