Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[The Bulge]

I am not going to lie I’m very concerned about my varying degrees of townreads of the meta block/the bulge

I feel like it isn’t likely we all Drew town.

are you a gambler notty

[The Bulge]

Think relationship between Bulge-420 is either T-? or S-S

I see literally no motivation for S bulge on T 420 to sort in this particular way; that slot is pushable as hell
and as S-S that seems like a pretty high risk play vs just...not doing that and ignoring and careening into the scum pt at night trying to come up with a plan to deal with the slot long term, which is not really under much pressure atm; so i'm thinking it's just more likely for Bulge to be town here

@fery - GIF sighting in discord. Says he'll be back tonight or early tomorrow. Was bedridden.
told him {+j, bell, alisae, 420, maria} as potential places i have no semblance of townread on (i might just start from scratch on bell i don't know)
I'll be back later too

-b

you don't sound like you believe it could be SvS at all, why leave that part in?

1) I don't feel like that's what I said. do you really think that's what I said?

There is definite potential scum motivation here to clear a buddy; I was asserting that I didn't think it was likely to have happened in that way; I think it's incredibly more likely than the first alternative I mentioned.

2) Even if I said I was dismissing both of those possibilities, why would I

not

include my thought process about it?

-b

Are you guys not townreading bulge? Why?

I'm leaning town on bulge; i want to know what was going on w/ 1501 because 'why leave the reasoning as to why you decided this was town and not scum elevating a buddy' seems like a stupid thing to say and i'm dichotomous as to what he was going for when he said it

I was talking about your conclusion in the first line. it's fine to leave in your thought process. but the wording and tone you use to explain the possibility of SvS mirrors the previous line about SvT, leading me to believe you find the two roughly equivalent in terms of likeliness. so I'll ask again

your reasoning tells me you rank the possibilities something like Tv?>>>SvS>SvT, so why is it being presented in the first line of 1469 as Tv?=SvS>>>SvT


if your dichotomy does not include "he is concerned I am setting up for a readflip on his slot" as an option then it is not accurate

[PlusJOYED]

I'll be sending out any necessary prods later today.

In the event that bulge flips red that's really sus.

Explain?

i did in that post?

[The Bulge]

much as I dont miss the memes, 420's fade is not a good look.

agreed

VOTE: 420

[MariaR]

Doing a full catch up tonight. Been taking care of Momma Maria who's been feeling sick

[The Bulge]

looking forward to it! hope she is doing well.

morph I'm assuming one or both of you will be active at some point this evening?

[Alisae]

you didn't find any of mariar's posts interesting enough to comment on in your catchups?

I read them but I didn't feel the need to comment in thread about it

What differentiates the stuff that you comment about from the stuff that you don't?

/shrug

[PlusJOYED]

in regards to SS, I thought I clearly explained it in my post and that it was obvious why hard fencesitting on a spot is sus if their scum. Scum are the most hesistant to express reads on their scumbuddies.

[April Ludgate]

in regards to SS, I thought I clearly explained it in my post and that it was obvious why hard fencesitting on a spot is sus if their scum. Scum are the most hesistant to express reads on their scumbuddies.

scum really should take hardstances on buddies more. you can talk your way out of anything if you just commit.

I'm half ready to jump on that 420 fade.

[April Ludgate]

i could just be wrong, but im feeling like this is Alisaetownshrug mode rather than Alisaescumshrug mode.

[April Ludgate]

I think Morph is playing you lot

[PlusJOYED]

i can see that. The scumtell only applies if bulge flips red, and aliase's catchup seemed pretty town
I've been on the 420 wagon.

[PlusJOYED]

*not morph being sus the other thing i can see that. In regards to ali being townshrug

[April Ludgate]

*not morph being sus the other thing i can see that. In regards to ali being townshrug

Like I said before, I don’t expect to lead a rebellion today, or even in my lifetime. I just need it to be said.

[April Ludgate]

VOTE: 420

Prism slot, right? Yeah, I’m good with killing this off.

[April Ludgate]

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

zMuffinman, Alisae, Maria, Prism, Remelia has multiple scum in it probably.

The Bulge, Midwaybear, SS, Morph, Bell, Secret Tunnel

Is who is left over, and I’m forgetting one person...hmm

PlusJoyed, lol

Of the lists, I town read SS, Morph, Bell, PlusJoyed.

I’m turning around on Alisae. I kinda like Midwaybear.

Secret Tunnel/Bulge definitely could have scum in them.

Something’s really bugging me about zMuffinman. What are people’s reads there?

PlusJoyed
Remelia
Bell

Zmuffin

Midwaybear
Alisae
The Bulge
Something Smart

Maria

420
Secret Tunnel
Morph

Probably where I’m at, but I understand where I could just be getting paranoid of Morph.

[April Ludgate]

I no longer think that first group has multiple scum in it. Possible, I guess, but I’d much prefer there to be none. Means probably one.

Pretty much flip the 2 conclusive statements for those 2 posts

[PlusJOYED]

morph at the bottom is pretty insane ngl

[Secret Tunnel]

are you a gambler notty

Hell no

Pedit
See that list is weird

I’m at

Bell
Bulge
Bear
Morph
Remi

Muffin
S_S
Joyed

April
Ali
Maria
420

[morph the cat]

looking forward to it! hope she is doing well.

morph I'm assuming one or both of you will be active at some point this evening?

The plan is both of us. We'll be back and forth between here and stuff in our hydra convo.

[April Ludgate]

morph at the bottom is pretty insane ngl

Yeah, idk what happened.

I think it happened specifically because everyone town reads them so much that I kind of see it as a scum ploy by them.

Mixed in with not really thinking it’s at all out of their range to be completely town read from the very beginning on Day 1.

[Something_Smart]

i did in that post?

you kinda hedged against it though:

It might've been buying time to give a read on their scum bulge partner, but that's pretty overt and idk if aliase would do that when they could easily just not mention bulge too.

this is not convincing at all, it doesn't even look like you believe it. and given that e put two other people as ???, e could have just stuck bulge there as well.

[PlusJOYED]

morph was in your top townblock in your last readlist but now at the bottom. When did this happen?

[Something_Smart]

Scum are the most hesistant to express reads on their scumbuddies.

also this sounds like unsubstantiated nonsense to me. where have you observed this?

Even if it applies, it probably only applies to new/inexperienced scum.

[April Ludgate]

are you a gambler notty

Hell no

Pedit
See that list is weird

I’m at

Bell
Bulge
Bear
Morph
Remi

Muffin
S_S
Joyed

April
Ali
Maria
420

Weird does not = Incorrect.

And you have an incredibly poor bottom list.

It’s all LHF for this gamestate, and the person who put the highest town read on the bottom.

Secret Tunnel and Morph have associations with themselves. Morph hasn’t called them super scummy or townie, but they have “improved” was their last bit. It’s careful positioning based on how Morph feels their partner is doing.

This is a theory, obvi, but it’s one I haven’t been able to shake.