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[Menalque]

Bob wouldn’t let a buddy claim venge

Mind you I say that

Bob why aren’t you voting the vengeful claim

[Ydrasse]

Yeah there’s no way this slot is town

VOTE: plusjoyed

Why does scum plus claim vengful of all things?

To avoid being lynched? Why else?

You really think someone would claim vengful. Rather than someing liek VC, tracker, watcher. ect

this is why.

[Menalque]

@bob lets disregard setup spec. what do you think of osuka?

pedit: (no offense) joyed has a rather weak scumrange tbh, scum!joyed doesn't do anything but meh I'll give you this one since much of the plist was posting a shit ton

good odds of being scum.

The fact he helped run kerset up the first time as an early voter and never returned. Now kerset might have later claimed doc but at that point kerset hadnt claimed. not liking the fact he never returned in the second combo of it. One thing to not join in the first place but to leave when the pressure is high.


Nor once question kerset day two. I thought it was scummy that he had to be asked who he protected. And then dodged the question by claiming novice. An answer which was hammer worthy. So i would expect atleast soem questioning

why would i set up kerset and then run away? that makes zero sense

if i wanted to set him up, id bus for the towncred. if i wanted to save him, id never have set him up in the first place

Not convinced by this

Voting early on a buddy and then they get wagoned doesn’t get you cred. Like maybe a bit but not a lot, and it’s very easy to make the unvote under the justification that it was an RVS that then got too high + the saud kill on N1 makes me think the scum plan was to try to save/redeem kerset!slot

[Menalque]

Yeah there’s no way this slot is town

VOTE: plusjoyed

Why does scum plus claim vengful of all things?

To avoid being lynched? Why else?

You really think someone would claim vengful. Rather than someing liek VC, tracker, watcher. ect

this is why.

Uh huhhhhh

[Menalque]

Okay I mildly hate that ngl

[Menalque]

As in, he’s not wrong that vengeful is a bad claim for scum to make

But it’s a bad claim BC the correct play is to guillo the vengeful claim

So saying “ah this isn’t a claim scum makes” to then use that as a justification to not vote the slot is a big Oof

[Menalque]

again without having thought as much as id like to have about this, i would say that there is >1 scum in { mena, shelly }

Go on

Although more on shelly I’m assuming the me bit is more to do with D1 still

[Menalque]

and ydrasse seems off somehow

Okay how? Did we not just talk about this and how it makes very little sense for deepwolfing scum ydrasse to hammer town out of now where when (1) she’s prob fine with no elim and (2) she doesn’t really need to draw that attention by hammering pre-emptivelynwhen she can count on someone else to hammer for her or just wait until right before deadline to justify it

[PlusJOYED]

Like how hard are you scumreading ydrasse

Unless you are like 100% lockscum on her then it makes much more sense to use your venge shot on someone who’s liable to be the guillo tomorrow

decently enough at this point
i SR osuka more and I think I TR bob honestly
the problem is that I trust you guys to sort bob/osuka out the next day, I have little hope that ydrasse will be found

[PlusJOYED]

Vote count 1.final

with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

execution

innocentvillager [7]:

Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse

[HAMMER]

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

PlusJOYED [2]:

Andresvmb, Menalque

Kerset [2]:

Saudade, shellyc

Not Voting [0]:

flip

innocentvillager

has been executed Day 1. He was a

Vanilla Townie

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The sun sets, it is now Night 1. Sunrise in

(expired on 2020-09-20 12:00:00)

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I still can't believe IV flipped town, what the hell IV?
Anyway, him being town and sau flip does impact my reads quite a bit.
Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.
Mena is definitely town imo, scum wouldn't go that hard to save a townie. Super strong obvtown
If osuka is still after mena I think he's probably scumbinned at this point, town wouldn't do that
Shelly is still town
Ndmath is still super scummy
Bob scumlean I think
Teacher i needs to read iso
Andres obvtown
ydrasse seems towny overall, I think the hammer may have been exhaustion

jokes btw

you had me fooled most of day 1 and 2
but day 3 it's become obvious that you are scum. Partly because I trust saudades reads now

[Menalque]

Like how hard are you scumreading ydrasse

Unless you are like 100% lockscum on her then it makes much more sense to use your venge shot on someone who’s liable to be the guillo tomorrow

decently enough at this point
i SR osuka more and I think I TR bob honestly
the problem is that I trust you guys to sort bob/osuka out the next day, I have little hope that ydrasse will be found

Okay but if you’re town then you need to acknowledge that this is a team game and while hero shots are cool and they feel ~fun~ they’re called hero shots because most of the time they’re wrong

So you should shoot in the people most likely to flio scum and trust in the rest of the team to sort correctly later

[Ydrasse]

and it’s obvious how exactly...? because of someone else’s reads or...?

[Menalque]

Like okay if you’re town it’s prob bob/osuka/math for the remaining scums

But if you shoot ydra ad she flips town there’s so much more pressure there to try and balance between “looks scummy prob is the final scum” and “could be the final scum deepwolfing paranoia”

Like if you take down one more person in that pool I think it becomes close to locked but also it makes it easier to reevaluate if someone like osuka is also town because then that means it’s worth evaluating the entire gamestate as things have clearly been misfocused today

But we can’t do that if you shoot ydra

[Menalque]

Idk if I’m explaining this well if this is really unclear then I’ll try again tomorrow while sober

[PlusJOYED]

ydra is scum tho mena

[Menalque]

Okay but is she lockscum

If she’s not then the right play is to shoot for the highest scum equity slots and go from there

[Ydrasse]

i do not know what else i can do to get through to you plus that my actions this game alongside a scum!kerset's make no sense. i really don't.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: plus

like you haven't even formulated a reason why other than "i trust someone else's reads now".

[Ydrasse]

i'm pretty sure that it's by virtue of the current poe being (correctly) narrow at this point and you need to push some miselims through. and you chose me because...???

[Menalque]

Okay who could be a partner for plus

Not ydra probably based on this

I wanted to say not bob bc of the claim but him trying to use that as a clearing reason is ick so maaaaybe bob big braining

Could be osuka I guess but he’s been around since 2017 so this is lower partner equity. Also he’s voting him. Although also that being said if I were in an osuka/plus team id bus here

Not Andres

Maybe shelly? But she’s most likely town anyway and also has been pushing here fairly consistently throughout the game I think

NDmath could be too idk enough about his mechanics but he’s new on site

[Ydrasse]

and if you're town, and you shoot me despite basically EVERYONE ELSE in this game saying that that is suboptimal for town? that's not on me at this point.

[Menalque]

I’m p sure scum venge is bastard so if plus is scum then we lose nothing on an elim it’s only a win and probably it’s actually bob or NDmath who’s the partner in that case

[Menalque]

If town then we get a town controlled kill hopefully into the PoE

This is the right play

[Ydrasse]

(－‸ლ)

i have a feeling they're just gonna shoot me anyways.

[Menalque]

again without having thought as much as id like to have about this, i would say that there is >1 scum in { mena, shelly }

osuka still bullshitting

please enlighten me on how i'm bullshitting

i'm really betting on you being the scum in there

Okay when did this change bc I thought that as of D2 you were still p much lockscum on me