Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Krazy]

batwoman what are your reads right now?

[Morning Tweet]

batwoman what are your reads right now?

Let me find the last time I posted reads and they'll be the same probably

Spoiler: start of day

Prism
Pooky
Tayl0r

Catboi

-------- SPARE LINE --------
Puppy
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Chara
Hectic
Tanner
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Lavender
Redtea-Sujimichi-Krazy

Elements-beeboy

Hm maybe not exactly.

Prism still good on.

Pooky still good on, maybe there's some chance he's tricking me and that why he's hesistant to vote you.

I might bend to the will of the crowd and move tayl0r down. I had crazy, somewhat conspiracy level reasons to trust her though.

Puppy I think has been a massive subject of debate recently and I haven't really been following it but I think he's probably town for the hard bus

Chara, Hectic, and Tanner all do townie things that makes me like them. Hectic in particular is probably town. Chara good chance but I had like some slight paranoia from what I can recall

There's no real great reason to think Lavender is town.

Redtea/Sujimichi are probably just scum

Spoiler: right now

Prism
-------- SPARE LINE --------
Pooky
Puppy
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Hectic
Chara
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Tayl0r
Tanner
-------------------------------
Lavender
Redtea-Sujimichi-Krazy

I swear I'll make a serious effort to read if Sujimichi is not scum. The Chara flip will probably give me a ton of motivation. Right now it's like, even if we get it wrong, we still kill scum.

And from where I stand atm, I wouldn't let the Redtea slot even approach endgame. So may as well knock that out real quick

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmmm that readlist basically makes sense but why is puppy so far up?

[Morning Tweet]

didn't he adamantly advocate for eliminating Elements earlier and stronger than everyone else?

I checked and, somewhat yes. He sort of switcherooed onto Hectic, not sure what I make of that. Prism said he "Never really got the Element votes" in 750 and puppy then swapped to Hectic in 765. Wagons were about even.

guess i can get behind this

HURT: beeboy

@chara: point taken! but im not gonna sit here agonizing about it, gonna get some nice flips no matter what do so im gonna be positive about it

Would kind of expect scum!Puppy to use stronger wording than "Guess I can get behind this" when rejoining the wagon he advocated so strongly for earlier

The towncred!!! he's squandering the towncred!!!!!

[Krazy]

What's the source of your confidence in my slot again?

[Morning Tweet]

Hmmm.... well I decently townread 50% of the game. Out of the rest, your slot has no good interactions with Elements.

In fact, if you ctrl-F elements in redtea's ISO, their only mentions of Elements are two separate defenses of him. 266 and 595. Neither are huge defenses, just kind of "give him the benefit of the doubt" kinda things.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think we should give elements the benefit of the doubt here.

[Krazy]

agreed

[Krazy]

what are the townie things tanner did that made you like them?

[Morning Tweet]

i think we should give elements the benefit of the doubt here.

agreed

huh

[Krazy]

did you miss taylor's entire last page of shitposting?

[Morning Tweet]

ok but im keeping an eye on u guys

[Krazy]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

batwoman what are your reads right now?

Let me find the last time I posted reads and they'll be the same probably

Spoiler: start of day

Prism
Pooky
Tayl0r

Catboi

-------- SPARE LINE --------
Puppy
-------------------------------
Chara
Hectic
Tanner
-------------------------------
Lavender
Redtea-Sujimichi-Krazy

Elements-beeboy

Hm maybe not exactly.

Prism still good on.

Pooky still good on, maybe there's some chance he's tricking me and that why he's hesistant to vote you.

I might bend to the will of the crowd and move tayl0r down. I had crazy, somewhat conspiracy level reasons to trust her though.

Puppy I think has been a massive subject of debate recently and I haven't really been following it but I think he's probably town for the hard bus

Chara, Hectic, and Tanner all do townie things that makes me like them. Hectic in particular is probably town. Chara good chance but I had like some slight paranoia from what I can recall

There's no real great reason to think Lavender is town.

Redtea/Sujimichi are probably just scum

Spoiler: right now

Prism
-------- SPARE LINE --------
Pooky
Puppy
-------------------------------
Hectic
Chara
-------------------------------
Tayl0r
Tanner
-------------------------------
Lavender
Redtea-Sujimichi-Krazy

I swear I'll make a serious effort to read if Sujimichi is not scum. The Chara flip will probably give me a ton of motivation. Right now it's like, even if we get it wrong, we still kill scum.

And from where I stand atm, I wouldn't let the Redtea slot even approach endgame. So may as well knock that out real quick

I agree with everything here except here's the thing:

If Krazy isn't scum - our odds of winning decrease with a mis-elim today right?

Right now we hit 2/10 scum we will win - if it goes to 1/8 our odds tomorrow get worse.

I agree me and Prism might be paranoid/overthinking it but our best chance of winning outright is to nail a bad guy today so I'm having trouble getting to where Hectic is - which is this massive certainty that Krazy flips scum here.

I hope we're wrong and Krazy just flips scum here but my paranoia is creeping in hard right now.

[Tayl0r Swift]

krazy are you scum?

[Tanner]

I'm mostly thinking of some of the games I modded, although there's always a lot of differences there. {hydras, large themes, etc.}

Anyway can you expand on your tier 3, puppy and taylor?

In terms of your read of my slot, basically it's: suji scumplaceout + something about elements. Can you expand on those or what is the connection you mean?

Also what franchise is tanner from, for some reason it looks familiar but I'm not sure off hand.

i feel obliged to point out that my play in post-apoc is probably more different than my usual townplay than is my play in this game

boy, puppy.
~ 1093 - after the weird wagon day one, i thought there's a chance that scum might've bussed and would be trying to push for spares using the towncred. puppy came in pushing for spares. uneasiness.
~ 1225 - made right after hectic and i fought, and it kiiiinda made me think it's a pivot to jump onto my wagon
~ i talk about my vote near the bottom of 1349
~ also whatever paranoid garble i typed out in 1440, i'm not sure if it makes perfect sense to me right now but i didn't get a lot of sleep last night so whatever, am linking for posterity
~ also the middle of post 1463 i guess
~ i am still pending a reread on pup/ele iso because i'm not sure those are s/s, but that is not happening now

taylor is... i dunno. they haven't exactly been around a lot of day one, and most other people just seem townier than her. she did have a couple of posts that are weirdly calling elements out when it maybe wouldn't have been necessary, but i'm not sure those are out of the realm of s/s

i talked about my read on redtea at the bottom of 1349, i don't think there's anything specific about readtea on day one, at the time they just seemed "fine". err, not sure what connection you're talking about.

john tanner from driver: san francisco, trippy game, do recommend

[Krazy]

krazy are you scum?

no r u?

[Krazy]

i realized i don't feel like linking shit but like... their interactions about elements and his wagon are Not Great,

this is what I was asking about, which interactions with elements did you mean and/or expand on the issue with his wagon

[Morning Tweet]

I agree with everything here except here's the thing:

If Krazy isn't scum - our odds of winning decrease with a mis-elim today right?

Right now we hit 2/10 scum we will win - if it goes to 1/8 our odds tomorrow get worse.

I agree me and Prism might be paranoid/overthinking it but our best chance of winning outright is to nail a bad guy today so I'm having trouble getting to where Hectic is - which is this massive certainty that Krazy flips scum here.

I hope we're wrong and Krazy just flips scum here but my paranoia is creeping in hard right now.

Well yes, our odds of immediately winning go down. Let's assume Not Chara slips thru the cracks and we miselim today

8 town v 2 mafia
miselim, NC suicide, N2 NK ->
6 town v 1 mafia
miselim, N3 NK ->
4 town v 1 mafia
miselim, route bonus of confirming two town ->
2 confirmed town w/ 1 unconfirmed town v. 1 mafia

We can miss today, get a mafia literally confirmed to us, miss D3, miss D4, and then we get a 1v1 for the game on D5. So many chances, we get to kill more 4 people one of which is a 1v1 and we know who Chara is after today

[Tanner]

i realized i don't feel like linking shit but like... their interactions about elements and his wagon are Not Great,

this is what I was asking about, which interactions with elements did you mean and/or expand on the issue with his wagon

oh, right
i think i meant what i said in my daystart post (1064), mainly redtea defending elements (266, 595), and them pretty much disappearing the last 3-4 days of day one, where the weird lack of resistance of the scumwagon could be explained by an afk buddy

[Tayl0r Swift]

john tanner from driver: san francisco, trippy game, do recommend

that game was pretty awful, but so fun

[Tayl0r Swift]

krazy are you scum?

no r u?

ok well im fairly convinced. who is scum then?

[Krazy]

leaning daddy and batgirl at the moment but still sorting some slots

[Morning Tweet]

Like leaning me for being scum? Do I get to be Not Chara or is that reserved for daddy

[Tanner]

please don't call me that