Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Alisae]

I thought people said you do make these sort of claims as scum too.

he does!

[morph the cat]

Anyone else want to talk with me about s_s?

This doesn't seem to be his scumgame, but I see some flashes of Lady 2. It seems to be the fluff stuff, but I don't think the comment about how I am playing really comes from a scum SS.

How would you describe his scumgame?

[April Ludgate]

I thought people said you do make these sort of claims as scum too.

Once in like the past 2 years, and if you look at the game, I changed because I had to or be caught out in a lie.

It’s a staple of my town game.

Also, scum, I usually change my claim from time to time.

Here I have done absolutely no such thing. I have even stated true claim, which in none of my other games have I done.

I will be confirmable. If I’m not confirmed near end game, kill me.

I am giving limitations to myself so that you guys can trust me in ways that actively make sure I do not win this game if I am scum.

Alisae is actively trying to abuse that knowledge to take me out early before any of it is an issue.

[April Ludgate]

This was my bait from the beginning. I was trying to make myself look like a juicy target so while my reads were true,i upped my aggressive ness.

I mentioned my conf town aspect a while back, and then as soon as I mention investigation, I get turned on.

[midwaybear]

I only played with him once before and it was the second anonymous dance game. I thought he seemed pretty townie and I also liked the way he was playing, so we ended up being paired together. I actually think that wasn't a very good scumgame for him, but he was sorta lurky and didn't really contribute anything. I do remember him getting scumread early, and he seemed a little annoyed first but then came to some kind of agreement with it saying "that's fair" or something like that. I also remember him getting scumread for not fully pushing his buddy, but it seems that he could do something like that in the right environment. I also remember some fluffy comments early on which shows that it does work to some extent.
Yeah, I think I was sort of conf biased in my townread of him, but I do think he is town this game.

[April Ludgate]

Turned on in the manner of people switch onto me

[Something_Smart]

I mentioned my conf town aspect a while back, and then as soon as I mention investigation, I get turned on.

Phrasing

[April Ludgate]

Yeah, I noticed after I said it

[Tammy]

I’ll get a vote count up when I can.

[morph the cat]

morph
Bell, Bulge, +J
Maria, Tunnel
April, Muffin, Remilia, 420, Alisae
midwaybear

this is without rereading any posts

You moved midwaybear up a notch or two after this. How does the rest represent your current feel?

[Something_Smart]

April is up a few at this point as well, I'm skeptical of him being this self-destructive as scum.

[Something_Smart]

And honestly just take 420 out of the list because that slot needs to be replaced before I will actually do anything with it.

[April Ludgate]

April is up a few at this point as well, I'm skeptical of him being this self-destructive as scum.

I actually think 420 voting Morph like they did is more town indicative than scum indicative.

[April Ludgate]

Lack of fear of repercussion in that sense was townie. They weren’t under major pressure.

[Secret Tunnel]

notscience's thoughts on April:

"What town invest claims not under duress"
"I think they are overtly playing so over the top because it would lead to them getting PoEd"

@ffery @bulge

-innocentvillager

[April Ludgate]

That shows lack of experience with me.

I am over the top. Even in real life. I’m a star, I best be acting like one. kiss

[Secret Tunnel]

clarification from notscience: "They are playing over the top like this because otherwise the PoE sets in"

-innocentvillager

[April Ludgate]

And on top of that, it’s already been confirmed that that is something I would do, so that’s a backwards analysis.

[April Ludgate]

clarification from notscience: "They are playing over the top like this because otherwise the PoE sets in"

-innocentvillager

It’s Day 1. POE does not sit in in a way that would ever be damning to me on a scum team based on having teammates.

[April Ludgate]

I’ve literally given you guys a straight forward way to dealing with me if I were scum here.

You are also assuming that I as scum wouldn’t be far ahead of that incredibly surface level way of playing.

Frankly, if I were scum, there were plenty of times where it would have just been beneficial to let the game run its course.

I have gone back and flip flopped through multiple scenarios on multiple different players, have I not?

Do you not know where I stand on essentially every slot in this game?

Who would be my partners in this situation?

I am town, acting alone, and I will prove it to you.

If I don’t, kill me.

Think about it this way: I’ve claimed that, right? Now scum are likely going to think about shooting me, which they definitely don’t want to do now based on my position in the game.

That is EXACTLY how I operate as town. They also have to ponder whether I’m baiting them to kill me.

[Secret Tunnel]

from me: my other half is busy and will detail his thoughts later but for now he just wants @ffery and @bulge to see it.

Personally, I'm still just kind of confused by the whole thing. I don't really know why you keep using vague comments like "confirmable" (what does that mean?), kill you if you survive to "late game"/"endgame" (what day/phase is that)? Why were you softing the whole time with this vague term "confirmable" and kind of hard claimed despite not being in real danger?

I'm bad with closed games so I'm sorry if talking about any of this is antitown, feel free to ignore me on anything; I'm just puzzled and it's hard to try and sort you when I don't understand.

-innocentvillager

[April Ludgate]

And for post game, this is not me. Like I said, I’m doing everything in my ability to get you guys to accurately read me.

You guys choose not to, maybe it’s based on paranoia because of my dangerous scum game, but you also have to actively believe that I’m here trying to solo a scum victory (which people like to say I do, but I actively hate playing as solo scum. I like having teammates for gamestate manipulation)

I’m just a town powerhouse. :shrug:

[Secret Tunnel]

Well, it certainly seems like you're doing a good job at gamestate manipulation(?)

-innocentvillager

[April Ludgate]

from me: my other half is busy and will detail his thoughts later but for now he just wants @ffery and @bulge to see it.

Personally, I'm still just kind of confused by the whole thing. I don't really know why you keep using vague comments like "confirmable" (what does that mean?), kill you if you survive to "late game"/"endgame" (what day/phase is that)? Why were you softing the whole time with this vague term "confirmable" and kind of hard claimed despite not being in real danger?

I'm bad with closed games so I'm sorry if talking about any of this is antitown, feel free to ignore me on anything; I'm just puzzled and it's hard to try and sort you when I don't understand.

-innocentvillager

Nah, it’s fine.

I claimed the stuff, I have to expect confusion.

I won’t be full claiming, because that’s when it gives scum benefits. Atm, i bet scum is trying to figure out if I’m really an investigative or not, which is the point.

I say I will be able to be confirmed, because I will be able to prove that I am town to everyone here before you need to worry about tinfoil theories.

[April Ludgate]

Well, it certainly seems like you're doing a good job at gamestate manipulation(?)

-innocentvillager

In what fashion?

I wouldn’t agree with the fact I’ve been manipulating anything. I’ve been merely reacting in real time to where the gamestate naturally goes.

My gamestate manipulation, at high level, is invisible, and often different from what I am actually saying in thread based on knowing where teammates can go/currently stand.

I feel like I’ve gone after every single person in this game at one point, or at least had a one on one in some type of way, so in what way has it been manipulated?