Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Prism]

puppy is coasting and not engaged. whens the last time you saw a post from puppy that wasnt fluff?

I'm really confused by this read. You've openly admitted to doing the same. Town has a very high chance of winning this game, especially with several confident townreads like it seems Puppy has.

In general what makes you so hard to read this game is you seemed to be openly dart throwing off of gut, being very unashamed about it and generally avoiding explaining your process for how they switch.

isnt it also scummy from me? isnt that why people scumread me largely?

...Right, but from your perspective, where you know that you're town doing these things, why is Puppy scummy to you?

[Krazy]

I'm not ignoring you doggo I'm just still processing stuff

[Krazy]

Prism feels really town here so if we're wrong in chara/prism t+t I think it would be chara but I also think there's almost no scenario where chara is today's lynch so I'm not going to worry about him a lot rn

[Prism]

Hm.

1590 of Hectic's

...Did Taylor swap because they're scum with Hectic?

[Prism]

Worth investigating.

Be back soon.

[Krazy]

if we lynch chara today we win outright

if we miss chara and it suicides - we still have to find the last scum to win

Off topic but does anyone else get bemused replacing chara with Chara?

Imagine he's the deepwolf and everytime someone says something like this he gets spooked

[Chara]

I honestly don't know here.

I think I prefer a Tayl0r elimination. I feel a lot more sure about Krazy being town after reviewing redtea over again. I'm not sure who their partner is is the real problem to me.

Reviewing Chara's ISO I did feel a lot better, and their interactions throughout the entire game have come off incredibly genuinely. The progressions on Puppy/Tayl0r/me have bothered me, but one thing that really sticks out to me, even if I feel like I

shouldn't

townread it:

Chara really

does

appear to find this game fun and not very stressful, like they say in 1613. Eager to engage with me, not really getting annoyed with my tinfoil. They might push through their stressed-out self just because they feel like they

have

to, and maybe even channel their stress into admiration for my play to make it easier, but this seems...really difficult+weird+unlikely?

I will say I expect them to stress a bit as town here too, just because I'd be wrong or I might even be scum, so I don't know why they're not.

my catching up is very slow because i find interacting with you all to be much more fun, but i'm also not interested in Krazy today. who i did forget about i am very sorry, but also you weren't here yet when i was playing more actively so that would be why.
Taylor i will get back to you on.

i think i could pretend to be as unconcerned and eager as i am as scum, too, but it is much more of a drain. i rely heavily on my scumteam to keep my spirits up, without a good rapport it's difficult to have the energy.

as for why i'm not worried about this: i explained why i'm not going to worry about you being scum. you're also the only one who suspects me, so if you are scum i'm not in danger of being miselimed by you. Taylor would be, in that scenario, but i'm trying to read her now.

town-you being wrong: i'm hoping to alleviate your suspicions by responding to them to the best of my ability. if that doesn't work, you've proven to be lovely to work with even while scumreading me, so it's not a big issue. at worst my concern would be your other reads will be hurt by the scumread on me, but you're not tunneling, either.

[Chara]

...Right, but from your perspective, where you know that you're town doing these things, why is Puppy scummy to you?

aha, i beat Prism to an observation!

Krazy, i was wondering if talking about me vs. talking about Not Chara would be confusing, but it's been mostly easy to follow so far. with a few double-takes earlier on.

[Krazy]

Hey Krazy, I get that reading the earlier pages probably seems like a big hassle considering the amount of time your slot likely has left alive. I also get that we tend to have much more faith in reads we form while personally involved and active as things progress.

There is a ton of value in Day 1 this game, though, because of the scum wagon that turned this game into Day 2 whiteflag. I think Ctrl+F searching "Elements" in ISOs you're interested in is a good medium, there shouldn't be a lot even if you bothered to do it for every slot, let alone just 2 or 3.

Right now I'm kind of biased because Day 1 is telling me MT is really unlikely, and while the continued suspicion of Puppy might be scumindicative from Tanner, I readily believe that I'm just a lot more inclined to give Puppy significantly more leeway as far as what thoughts seem plausible goes. I really doubt it's MT and don't think it's Tanner is my point, I guess.

I think Tayl0r is, and should, probably be the #1 alternative choice to you right now. I still haven't made up my mind on my tinfoil theory but I have time again to tackle the game today, and hopefully Chara is around and we can either work this out or I can continue my spiral into insanity and gladiate them Day 3.

What throws me in this post is that I feel like in 1571 you're basically mapping out why I kinda think Tanner is kinda scummy. Like at the end you're like "am I missing something" and I feel like the answer there would be 'tanner being scum'. Idk a lot of the time I think scum is more likely to be advancing positions where you end up feeling "I just see this player a bit differently"

[Krazy]

so I'll HURT: tanner and ask if anyone has a good reason to townread either swift or tanner?

i townread tanner because he is pushing stubbornly up in situations that would be easier for town to shirk back from. he's still trying to push a case on me (?) when i'm obvtown (iso my votes on the elements scum wagon from yesterday). is that a "good reason" for you?

ok pooky, if krazy gives me a good answer to this question i might unvote him. (or not)

I guess I'd need to review more on why you're obvtown or see yourself as such, but I don't in general think a player pushing obvtown makes them town. Admittedly some of my read is warped by generally feeling like town datisi often feels on the lurky/reactive side even though that may not be how he conceptualizes his play and anything I say about him is going to be six months out of date anyway. Mostly my read on him is tone/meta though and I'll review some chunks of day 1 tomorrow probably to see how I feel about him then but so far the things you're saying should make tanner town don't really seal that deal for me. Also this is like a really townie town so there's not a lot of other slots jumping out at me

[CantHateAPuppy]

who is datisi

[Chara]

Tanner is datisi.

[Krazy]

damn nobody posted any intro questions this game huh. we really just jumped straight into mech talk about sparing (lame) and fighting (super awesome mega cool its just like mafia) huh.

krazy, it's time to GTKAS:

1) are u town or scum
2) do u prefer to play town or scum
3) what was your best game
4) coffee or tea?

I already answered 1 but still town

I generally prefer playing town

Probably still ircher's large normal

I gave up caffeine

Does rqs help you scumhunt? I don't want to contribute to the noise level of the thread and it's nice to talk to you but are there more interesting questions you have for me?

Like what are you looking for here?

[Prism]

I think Tanner-scum is very possible, but I liked his Day 1 quite a bit on reread, and that his read progressions (I think it was on Hectic/Lavender?) made sense. I know that's not super helpful to you so I'm sorry.

Worth noting is that Tanner was an early tagalong onto Elements, despite not being on the final wagon. I asked a question about a turning point for their opinion on the Elements slot in 1387, and I thought Tanner answered it nicely with 1394.

[Prism]

Tayl0r, are you still around by chance? I have a quick question.

[Krazy]

There does seem to be some push on me, some of which is clearly coming from town, but of the slots pushing my lynch right now yours looks a bit scummier than Hectic's. I'll think on it more on the morrow

so uhh what was the deal with 1494?

response to prism's 1571:
~ i'm not arguing puppy's 100% scum. i would be pushing him with much more power if i thought so.
~ i want to argue "considering the way day one went, what the hell *was* scum doing?" is why i'm paranoid and kinda annoyed, but i guess the question here is "is it plausible for town to assume no bussing", which. i dunno. i guess.
~ 1225 made me uneasy because it seemed like a weaker townlean than the day earlier, and that last part made me think he was going to ~stop~ townleaning me in the future? that's what i meant by aligning, or like preparing himself to be able to walk back in the future, because scum still needs misfights and i'm assuming they're planning for me to be one of them.

having typed this out, i feel guilty of "ascribing scum motivations to posts rather than looking for it", so yeah. i dunno what to tell you. if puppy's not scum, then from my pov it's either some combination of lavender/krazy/taylor or something's very wrong. i don't know if there's a combination of those that outirght works. and that worries me.

i still got like 2 pages to read, but in the meantime
@hectic, how sure are you of morning-tweet!town today? and could you give me a shotgun readslist?

This is scummy

[CantHateAPuppy]

damn nobody posted any intro questions this game huh. we really just jumped straight into mech talk about sparing (lame) and fighting (super awesome mega cool its just like mafia) huh.

krazy, it's time to GTKAS:

1) are u town or scum
2) do u prefer to play town or scum
3) what was your best game
4) coffee or tea?

I already answered 1 but still town

I generally prefer playing town

Probably still ircher's large normal

I gave up caffeine

Does rqs help you scumhunt? I don't want to contribute to the noise level of the thread and it's nice to talk to you but are there more interesting questions you have for me?

Like what are you looking for here?

i like getting a sense of a person's personality which is easier when you just ask open questions and see how they respond

i could break out the sociological theory but right now i am a puppy. it would sound very silly

[Tayl0r Swift]

puppy seemed scum for it because i feel like puppies should be energetic and overeager. theres not a whole lot to it. ive moved past that read mostly and im kinda leaning towards tanner!scum Chara!chara

i also dont mind being your lunch today. Im not helping much and its definitely a bad idea to leave me for lylo here if the game gets there. im not confident enough in my reads to push them aggressively.

the only issue with me being lunch is that im not sure what you learn from my flip. gotta kill chara somehow tho.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yep, im here.

[CantHateAPuppy]

puppy seemed scum for it because i feel like puppies should be energetic and overeager. theres not a whole lot to it. ive moved past that read mostly and im kinda leaning towards tanner!scum Chara!chara

which of these would you rather vote? is there a reason you aren't voting right now?

[Tayl0r Swift]

HURT: tanner

i dont think chara is viable.

[Prism]

659 you're skeptical of Hectic's sudden sparepush. 714 you agree with me and think Hectic is being overly defensive. In 857, you've switched to Hectic being probably town as a goofball and vote Chara instead.

Can I ask what changed here for you?

[Chara]

you cited fluffposting as a reason to scumread me, too, though you said later you believed i was hunting more.
i have a few guesses as to why my playstyle might not agree with you, but i do really feel like you could be giving more thoughts than you presently are on that topic.

this post is to Taylor.

[CantHateAPuppy]

@prism looking at the votecounts i just realized you're not voting. is there a reason why, or are you still deciding, or are you trying to avoid a chara hammer?

[Krazy]

659

For the lazy