Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[midwaybear]

I actually didn't really think you were very proactive in 966. That was what I was trying to read you by, and it's not very different.

[Alisae]

ok read through isos again, new readlist is here

each tier is ordered left to right from town to less town

town read: {Morph, bell}

townlean: {aliase, midway, SS}

weak townlean: {tunnels, april}

weak scumlean: {bulge}

scumlean: {remillia, maria}

scumread: {muffin, 420}

Morph: Very active, feels like the center of the town for me, and probably my strongest TR overall. Yet despite all that nothing from memory really pinged me as scummy which is impressive, and he really cemented themself with that readlist a while back which I love in post 800 (I'm a little biased to in depth readlists being a major towntell, I loved morphs honestly). I don't think I can be swayed to join a morph wagon anytime soon especially given the volume of their posts.

bell - I don't see bell as scum at all honestly. He had a really strong start and while I think he slowed down a bit he feels like the obvtown bell I played with in hedgehogs. He also feels a little unsure like before too.


aliase: Their catchup/stream of consciousness I really liked. Like someone else said, I think being late is a towntell; wouldn't your scumbuddies prod you asap once you didn't show up after like 800 posts? And none of their posts scumpinged me? That's enough for me to townlean them honestly but it's more subject to change due to less posts.

midway: Read through their iso, they seemed to have a solid towny mindset and have been encouraging discussion when they post, though I don't really get their bell read. They also ask a lot of questions which I like. Townlean.

SS: I've kinda liked what they've posted, especially 448 and 738, and haven't scumpinged me at all, but what they've done so far and pointed out (in terms of towny contributions) just isn't enough to move them higher compared to my other townleans/townreads.

tunnels: they seem to like meta more and I REALLY didn't like their early locktown read on bulge, it almost feels like tmi or a pocket as I said earlier. But besides that they seem pretty towny and solvey in their other posts. That scumping just holds them back a lot.

april: They feel very attention grabby to me and super self aware. Some times I like their play, other times I don't; they kind of cancel out honestly as far as placing them. A large part of the read is that I don't think it'd be smart for scum to make themselves the center of attention as they are trying to, but this could also be a very sneaky attempt to predict that reaction and disrupt discussion. Honestly my weakest townlean atm


bulge: I went into this before in more depth, since then they've been towny in places and I can see a bit of a solvey mindset at times but othertimes just a blank, scummy wall, but they've been going up lately. I'm going to look into them in a bit more depth later.

Remilla: Honestly, a lot of their posting style feels like it has a vibe of nervousness/frantic energy to it, which I really dislike (1292 through 1311 and 1379 specifically). And a bit of hesitation to interact in some posts (like 682, 875). I think their scumread on me is interesting but I don't really understand the reasoning. Their mindset seems a sort of towny I guess, they look as if they are trying to solve at times? But nothing they've posted really calls out to me as "this is town" Overall a scumlean I think after digging through their iso. But their volume and effort puts them above maria imo.

Maria: Their postcount/iso is pathetic. Refusing to read early on was a big red flag to me. I usually like readlists, but having theirs use another readlist as a reference and not having any explanation really scumpings me too. But I could also see them as apathetic town. Even so, right now they are a pretty sizeable liability to the town atm and I don't like it.

muffin: I'm not gonna dig through iso again, but my opinion on them hasn't really changed, and my gut agrees with me too. I think they're scum

420: I'm not the biggest fan of prisms slot, and all 420 has done so far is stall and troll, which is probably what I'd do if I replaced into a scumslot in that position; to really try to solve you need to read the damn thread, and they have refused to do so. Really not a good look at all. And they beat muffin because while I think a lot of muffins posts have been straight up scumplay, muffin at least has done some towny posts too where I don't think the 420 slot has really.

Bork what stands out to you about this?
This is probably where I get most of my worries about the slot from. I feel like his reads here feel like they come from scum trying to put themselves in a good position

[Bell]

You seem like a weird mix of scum and town Alisae.

[Alisae]

You seem like a weird mix of scum and town Alisae.

how

[Remilia Scarlet]

Bork what stands out to you about this?

I think it's what i said earlier: seems like the conclusions were the start point and the reasoning came later for some of them (Maria in particular)

[Remilia Scarlet]

I also have no window into why Maria catapauulted +j into the top of her reads

[Bell]

Your reads and tone are somewhere in between when I go through your posts, the confidence and the concrete thinking are mellower than in your scum games but not gone. the way you challenge people as scum isn’t here. But your cases aren’t fast and loose either.

[Alisae]

Bork what stands out to you about this?

I think it's what i said earlier: seems like the conclusions were the start point and the reasoning came later for some of them (Maria in particular)

I definitely feel like the read placements there are more political then anything

[Alisae]

Also the read on me
his read on me might be TMI?

[Remilia Scarlet]

I'm not super following what you mean by "political" here

[Remilia Scarlet]

Designed to placate people in powerful positions?

[Bell]

You asked people about their reads on you, earlier, what conclusion did you end up coming to?

[Alisae]

I'm not super following what you mean by "political" here

fabricated in a way to suit the gamestate

[morph the cat]

I also have no window into why Maria catapauulted +j into the top of her reads

FWIW this one bugs me too.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Yeah, if he's scum that's essentially necessarily true

[Bell]

You could have used one of those words, but two is better.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Alisae what caused your ST vote in 2419

[morph the cat]

I also have no window into why Maria catapauulted +j into the top of her reads

FWIW this one bugs me too.

Enough that she sits at the bottom of the deep end of our reads, at present. Which kinda sucks because of the "I Enjoy playing with this person quite a bit" angle and the "IRL is being ass to her" angle.

But RNJESUS cares not for your circumstances.

[Alisae]

Your reads and tone are somewhere in between when I go through your posts, the confidence and the concrete thinking are mellower than in your scum games but not gone. the way you challenge people as scum isn’t here. But your cases aren’t fast and loose either.

My scumplay is more agenda focused then whats being presented here

[Bell]

There is weirdness in the joyed+Maria+alisae world.
Or maybe not.

[Alisae]

It’s adding unnecessary layers to parse to a game that already has a ton.

Whatever. I’m fine clowning Ali today, I’m fine clowning Maria.

I don’t want to clown

Bulge
Bell
Bear
Bork
Morph

I’ll vote whoever else. Would rather not vote ss or muffin.

this

[Bell]

Your reads and tone are somewhere in between when I go through your posts, the confidence and the concrete thinking are mellower than in your scum games but not gone. the way you challenge people as scum isn’t here. But your cases aren’t fast and loose either.

My scumplay is more agenda focused then whats being presented here

I can see that, you also said that earlier yourself if I recall in this game.

[Remilia Scarlet]

It’s adding unnecessary layers to parse to a game that already has a ton.

Whatever. I’m fine clowning Ali today, I’m fine clowning Maria.

I don’t want to clown

Bulge
Bell
Bear
Bork
Morph

I’ll vote whoever else. Would rather not vote ss or muffin.

this

I don't see a huge issue w/ that post, either tonally or with the reads presented as they are

[Bell]

I guess i’m just asking myself whether I want to unvote you or not given you’re wiggling around finally.
Ngl, I thought you were caught scum just going UTR and when that didn’t work you did this instead.


You’re aware that the false constructed case angle has already been used in this game before on your posts.

[Secret Tunnel]

It’s adding unnecessary layers to parse to a game that already has a ton.

Whatever. I’m fine clowning Ali today, I’m fine clowning Maria.

I don’t want to clown

Bulge
Bell
Bear
Bork
Morph

I’ll vote whoever else. Would rather not vote ss or muffin.

this

Why, what pinged you? fwiw, I don’t want to elim any of these 5 slots either.

Fine with eliming SS or Muffin though personally.

-innocentvillager