Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[morph the cat]

That's one of the players we haven't done much with and at least I am not ready to attempt a shoot from the hip read. didn't much like their initial catch-up. but have liked the direction of some of their posts since then. Somewhat squinty about townreading us, but Alisae does have some experience playing with neuter-half. Only Cabd towngames, though afaik.

At this point who is legitimately in your pool?

Not many. Which is kind of concerning to us in its own right. There is behind the scenes hashing between the heads to be done. We really want to settle where S_S and Bulge belong to us now.

You'll probably get an updated {} style reads list, and a vote, from us tonight at some point. I think the game is getting into stale territory, it's time to get some info and move on.

{Midway, Bell, Giffybork}
{PLusjoyed, Muffin}
{420prism, April }
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{Bulge, Secret Tunnels, S_S}
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{Maria, Alisae}

This is about where we were going into this evening. Things are shifting. Ish.

[Alisae]

Why are you having issues following the game?

Its hard to follow the game because I wasn't around at gamestart and when I read posts (like with bulge) I can't draw a conclusion

Have you thought about possibly setting aside distractions and re-reading the game with a fresh perspective? If you're still alive N1 i highly advise this when you're not "in the moment" if town.

Like I'm a dad but not YOUR dad but come on.

You owe it yourself, reset and approach the game from a new angle. Ideally a sober one.

I usually look back when I have flips to work with and I'll probably need flips to be more engaged with the game.

Also its a 100+ page 13 player game where I wasn't around at the start of it due to the lack of a daystart pm.

[Secret Tunnel]

Surely this read of you and Maria at the bottom has been present throughout NS’s ISO, it’s not exactly a secret. Why bring it up now and not before?

-innocentvillager

cause I just noticed it?

IVs almost caught up! He was mid fifties this morning.

@alisae I’m not townreading either of you. I guess that’s the closest thing to scumread I have this game

are you a gambler notty

Hell no

Pedit
See that list is weird

I’m at

Bell
Bulge
Bear
Morph
Remi

Muffin
S_S
Joyed

April
Ali
Maria
420

[Alisae]

are you a gambler notty

Hell no

Pedit
See that list is weird

I’m at

Bell
Bulge
Bear
Morph
Remi

Muffin
S_S
Joyed

April
Ali
Maria
420

like okay ya maybe this could be scum ig

[Bell]

Be back tomorrow. Putting up midwaybear a little higher on the town pile.
Alisae my read is in flux. It’s kinda always this way now tho.

[The Bulge]

What's the scum motivation for saying "I'll be comfirmable DX otherwise elim me"

again, just words. I can say "day vig me if I'm not rocking a full frontal of Danny Trejo as my avatar by Night 2", but who the fuck is gonna listen? if April were actually a PR I am sure he is an experienced enough player to avoid the first couple elims/NKs in some way besides claiming out of the blue. If anything, this should obviously make it more likely for him to be NKd, no matter how much he says that scum will keep him alive no matter what until day 3. because again. what makes scum think we are going to all play along with April's game? if he's an invest obviously they want to deal with that

before

he gets results? regardless of any dumb ultimatum? nobody is buying it, so nothing he is saying is based in reality.

April should be self-aware enough to know that just because he said we'll elim him day 3 doesn't mean thats what will go down, and if not out of self-awareness, from the fact that literally nobody is buying it as of right now. so beyond that I'm lost as to his motives. but if I see a bunch of bullshit that doesn't make sense from a player whose head is clearly in the game, I tend to want to string it up.

[The Bulge]

He also ignored basically all of my posts and just shifted his agenda to me and then ali and then back to me maybe for a second there I think ???

[Secret Tunnel]

Hey you, you never answered my question.

[The Bulge]

sorry I'm not ignoring you

was there something other than asking for my opinion on morph v april?

[midwaybear]

Yeah but they denied any influence there at all. It wasn’t the timing of the votes it was because they finished an anime according to them. that’s the only reason. they acknowledged the change too.

Oh, I see. This is actually somewhat suspicious then

[Secret Tunnel]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

[Remilia Scarlet]

if April were actually a PR I am sure he is an experienced enough player to avoid the first couple elims/NKs in some way besides claiming out of the blue. If anything, this should obviously make it more likely for him to be NKd

I think he straight up said that's something he's considering.

but if I see a bunch of bullshit that doesn't make sense from a player whose head is clearly in the game

was under the impression that was kinda his MO.

Again I just don't see the scum motivation other than "it doesn't make sense" which I guess can be some people's way to play specifically when scum. It doesn't sound like it's his.

[morph the cat]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

Like I get it, and your position on this is now KNOWN. But is re-framing it over and over gonna help me figure out which ones specifically you think might be wrong?

Go ahead, take potshots at our chapters of townreads. Just don't ignore them with a blanket "OMG SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE DEEPWOLFING GUYZ" please? Do it for me.

[morph the cat]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

Would you say this is






giving town a puzzle to solve?

[The Bulge]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

I noted this yea, watching within the blocs closely is probably a good way of keeping tabs on the gamestate for now

[midwaybear]

No, the scum motivation is that he was in a bad spot and way overextended in the confidence of his "reads", so then he decides to claim this role that staves off his elimination for a couple of days while also ensuring that he remains in the middle of the conversations.

[Secret Tunnel]

@bork
I can see that. It's not exactly fun to play with. But it doesn't make him scum.

pedit-
I've literally been waiting for bulge's input on this. And he asked me to rephrase my stance.

If you're going to vote me, do it.

[Secret Tunnel]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

Would you say this is






giving town a puzzle to solve?

I would probably be playing this way more aggressively if I were scum.

[Remilia Scarlet]

he was in a bad spot

I guess the crux of the matter is that i don't see this

[Remilia Scarlet]

I would probably be playing this way more aggressively if I were scum.

"this" being what in particular?

[The Bulge]

No, the scum motivation is that he was in a bad spot and way overextended in the confidence of his "reads", so then he decides to claim this role that staves off his elimination for a couple of days while also ensuring that he remains in the middle of the conversations.

The only pressure he was under was self-imposed, and I wouldnt call it pressure of Elimination. It was nothing more than the pressure of mass scrutiny, something to which I'm sure boonskiies is well-tempered

[midwaybear]

I mean nobody was really listening to the theories he was putting out there, and my view was shifted from crazy town to scum faking it.

[Secret Tunnel]

I noted this yea, watching within the blocs closely is probably a good way of keeping tabs on the gamestate for now

I mean I could see a world where Maria/Alisae are doing what got you onto my case in the micro but then we have April and S_S both with experience with them saying they seemd town (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I remembered)

But I also think its not likely its all LHF and there's noone non-LHF I want to clown.

pedit-
This game, bork. Cabd watched my last game. I did stoke paranoia, which I guess is somewhat similar to what I'm doing here, but I looked for opportunities to try and take advantage of said paranoia, which I have not done here.

[morph the cat]

@bork
I can see that. It's not exactly fun to play with. But it doesn't make him scum.

pedit-
I've literally been waiting for bulge's input on this. And he asked me to rephrase my stance.

If you're going to vote me, do it.

You express this amorphous paranoia about the townblocs, and there's nothing I can do with that.

I get amorphous paranoia in mafia. I live it. I breath it.

It gets focused, though. Who do you feel is higher up the lists than they should be?

I'm not going to vote you. In fact, you're one of the players that needs to move up a little in our list once all my butterflies settle a little.

[The Bulge]

I'm weirded out by the mirrored meta blocs all townreading each other but given I am immersed in one (even if I'm not as townread as I should be but I digress) I dont have a clear viewpoint.

It feels like both sides of them are saying "yup this person is playing like they play as town." And the degrees of certainty are mirrored. I think its incredibly unlikely scum is all in one meta bloc or is all in the outliers.

Would you say this is






giving town a puzzle to solve?

I would probably be playing this way more aggressively if I were scum.

yea this is where im at with you if im finally being honest lol