Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Prism]

I'm also literally the only vote on Taylor. I guess Chara voted you directly. I'm really glad to have you so eagerly engaged in the game again, though!

[Hectic]

Well fortunately Hectic if Tayl0r flips town and Krazy flips scum you shouldn't have too much to worry about here.

As for the readslist/lost, it was a good point to your credit.

Eh, I have to worry about the edge case where you're actually tunnelled town and scum's letting town self-destruct on the cusp of victory, but yeah, for the most part.

[Morning Tweet]

Quick, someone vote me. Krazy? You know you want to

[Hectic]

I'm also literally the only vote on Taylor. I guess Chara voted you directly. I'm really glad to have you so eagerly engaged in the game again, though!

You've got me there, Prism; this is pretty fun.

[Prism]

Cool. If you can sell me on someone who is likely to be scum with Krazy/Elements besides Lavender, I'll vote them with you.

[Prism]

That's in this "I'm tunneled town" world. Naturally I'm the obvious Krazy partner, here.

[Prism]

As for Chara I'm still so confused as to how readily you were persuaded by Hectic-scum but somehow don't want to vote Tayl0r just because they're apathetic pls help

[Chara]

The fact she says nothing on it and replaces out means:
-She's scum and saw how dire the situation was for her after reading. Repped out.
-She's lied about reading all of day 1. No reason to lie if she's town.
-She's town who read all of day 1 but then suddenly found herself demotivated and repped out.

I find the first two scenarios a LOT more likely than the third.

or, Suji hasn't been onsite since the rep-out and it's completely NAI?

[Prism]

also ignoring the fact that Suji routinely flakes regardless of alignment and isn't able to play on weekends...coincidentally, their last posts were on Friday

[Hectic]

What I mean when I say questionable timing on the Elements pings, by the way, since while I've explained the too confident part at a few different points in time I don't think I've hit this before:

Spoiler: Quotewall

HURT: Pooky

Tell me

, do you have any reads on anyone? You haven't stated a single one all game.

The pivot to Pooky is playing it super safe and objective with choosing what to push on.

His approach on me this game is vastly different to how he's ever treated me. The last ~5 games I've played with him he's scumread me. He was town in 4 of those, and scum in 1. My last game with him is the one he was scum in, and in that he mentioned in the scumchat that he knew how to manipulate me by playing to his townmeta, and proceeded to scumread me as usual... the FOOL, that won't ever work on me again.
So, this is very new to me. He doesn't even have a reason to townread me, he's doing it in a memey "Hectic is always town" way. I think there's a chance he's polarising his approach from his last scumgame so that I think he's town here, but he's overdoing it.

Claiming to have no other scumreads+voting Pooky just to pressure a nullread, then outing the scumpings only when I pressured him more is what made the timing questionable.

Okay, so I always feel bad about pointing out when I think people might be buddying me, because if they are town, it just puts them off and don't want to scumread people for being friendly/nice. I only reveal these kind of thoughts if I think there's actual substance behind them, and I decided then that there was enough in what Ele was doing for me to voice my concerns.

Regarding what Pooky as doing: There was an on-going game where I thought Pooky was scum. Backrooms was the name of the game. He was very similar in that game early on, mostly joking around and having fun, some wholesome posting, and I had a feeling this was his scumplay, especially since I'd just seen his play in the infamous 300 page mini from a while back where he was town and very contrasting.
I couldn't bring up these reasons since on-going.

Later I learnt Pooky was town in that game, and concluded that his shift in playstyle is NAI. That was in 640

[Chara]

As for Chara I'm still so confused as to how readily you were persuaded by Hectic-scum but somehow don't want to vote Tayl0r just because they're apathetic pls help

pushing Taylor nets a whole lot of nothing. on her reads, on her being scum, i've gotten nothing from it and i doubt you have.
but pushing Hectic does something. you're convinced they're partners, which is fair, but i'm treating them separately because i don't like to engage in preflip. Hectic is a rich ore vein that can still be mined. Taylor is spent.

and "feelings" about Taylor being actual apathetic town vs. a Hectic who i'm currently trying to find town-evidence for in the form of intuitive posting and moves made for reasons besides pure logic.

[Prism]

if lavender is scum here btw i am officially joining tanner in running to the nearest CVS, buying a $10.79 handle of popov, and downing it in under a minute

please don't hold me to this i don't drink my tolerance is super low but i will do some wine one night

[Chara]

what if we agreed to a truce and spent the rest of the game drinking instead of fighting?

[Tayl0r Swift]

hectoc is town

[Prism]

Regarding what Pooky as doing: There was an on-going game where I thought Pooky was scum. Backrooms was the name of the game. He was very similar in that game early on, mostly joking around and having fun, some wholesome posting, and I had a feeling this was his scumplay, especially since I'd just seen his play in the infamous 300 page mini from a while back where he was town and very contrasting.
I couldn't bring up these reasons since on-going.

Later I learnt Pooky was town in that game, and concluded that his shift in playstyle is NAI. That was in 640

Sorry, let me make sure I'm getting this right.

You observed/played in another game where he was doing the same fun/wholesome style, and instead of concluding that it's probably NAI since he's doing it in two games

simultaneously

you concluded it was scumplay in both?

Did you even bother to check previous scum-Pooky games, out of curiosity?

Every post implied you wanted to pressure him to outreads and didn't really scumlean him, btw.

"not townreading him" is ambiguous but was the given reason for the vote: saying you scumleaned the tone shift would have been

totally viable

without referencing Backrooms, only referencing the different town game you mentioned here

[Prism]

I'm absolutely calling bullshit here. You literally could have just cited the difference between the already-over towngame and this one. Backrooms doesn't need anything to do with it and the fact that it was happening in both is +NAI for sure, not +scum.

[Hectic]

The fact she says nothing on it and replaces out means:
-She's scum and saw how dire the situation was for her after reading. Repped out.
-She's lied about reading all of day 1. No reason to lie if she's town.
-She's town who read all of day 1 but then suddenly found herself demotivated and repped out.

I find the first two scenarios a LOT more likely than the third.

or, Suji hasn't been onsite since the rep-out and it's completely NAI?

Or what if Sujimichi has a habit of replacing out while making no posts/content as scum:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83597

While, when she replaces out as town, she's played the game for a bit beforehand:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Prism]

pushing Taylor nets a whole lot of nothing. on her reads, on her being scum, i've gotten nothing from it and i doubt you have.
but pushing Hectic does something. you're convinced they're partners, which is fair, but i'm treating them separately because i don't like to engage in preflip. Hectic is a rich ore vein that can still be mined. Taylor is spent.

and "feelings" about Taylor being actual apathetic town vs. a Hectic who i'm currently trying to find town-evidence for in the form of intuitive posting and moves made for reasons besides pure logic.

so far it's netted a flurry of activity and an apathetic act despite her practically f5ing the thread as much as us

meanwhile she isn't even trying to explain the two scumreads she's outing in the hopes that we follow after she dies

I'm fine calling the bluff, and it'd still be my fault and I'd reflect on it if I'm wrong but I would have zero sympathy for someone who is just concerned with being right themselves and not in helping us get the win

[Hectic]

I'm absolutely calling bullshit here. You literally could have just cited the difference between the already-over towngame and this one. Backrooms doesn't need anything to do with it and the fact that it was happening in both is +NAI for sure, not +scum.

Backrooms had a lot of conftown and 1 really obvtown at the time and the scum was between Pooky and 1 other slot.

I pushed Pooky because I thought the fun/fluff style might be scum-indicative for him, and because he wasn't posting reads. It wasn't tonal.

[Prism]

They flake as town, coincidentally in that game on a Thursday. They swung in today on a Friday. I don't see this as AI.

Now go do redtea's meta. Please, I'm begging you.

[Prism]

Again, could have just compared it to the towngames or gave exactly what you said-that the fun/fluff style might be scum-without citing Backrooms. Instead you only cite "not townreading" and pressurevote.

I'm calling BS.

[Chara]

i meant to be asleep two hours ago.
night.

[Prism]

Okay hold the fucking phone

HURT: redtea

HURT: Pooky

Tell me

, do you have any reads on anyone? You haven't stated a single one all game.

These posts were a minute apart. Nope. Nope nope nope. No way.

[Prism]

i meant to be asleep two hours ago.
night.

but chara

we were having FUN friend

kidding, goodnight

[Prism]

five minutes apart I can't read wow

slightly more plausible I guess