Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Prism]

ah goddamnit 316 is about redtea not about pooky

fuck my life

[Prism]

Alright, guess I'll slow down, not get ahead of myself, and think about this a bit more critically.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@hectic what do you think about the catboi NK not really making sense if redtea is scum? Catboi was one of the few people who was town-slotting red-tea hard - I don't see why the NK falls here when there are so many better townread players here..

[Hectic]

They flake as town, coincidentally in that game on a Thursday. They swung in today on a Friday. I don't see this as AI.

Now go do redtea's meta. Please, I'm begging you.

It's very late... I'm gonna check out as well. I've tried to reconstrcut my thought process as best I can from that time period. Don't know what else to say to you calling it BS.

Bu I do hope you're having fun if it's you + Krazy playing with nothing to lose lol

[Hectic]

@hectic what do you think about the catboi NK not really making sense if redtea is scum? Catboi was one of the few people who was town-slotting red-tea hard - I don't see why the NK falls here when there are so many better townread players here..

Oh, really? I'd completely overlooked that.

Guess I need to do more research tomorrow.

[Prism]

I'm having fun either way, though maybe that's no consolation.

[Hectic]

ah goddamnit 316 is about redtea not about pooky

fuck my life

Oh yeah, "found something better than a null-vote" is me saying I was thinking Pooky could be scum. (For prior stated Backroom reasons)

[Prism]

Perhaps I should call it a night as well. Me getting excitable has tended to lose games.

[Hectic]

I'm having fun either way, though maybe that's no consolation.

I'm glad! This is a little frustrating, but I'm mostly having fun too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Reads right now are something like

town: tanner, prism, chara, redtea
null: puppy, pooky, hectic, lavender, tweet
scum: beeboy, taylor

which is pretty meh. I think from conversing wuithem chara feels town, both the little thing we had earlie and the way they had that read of taylor, I disagree with them, explain my reasoning, and they went back and re-evaluated. Everyone in the null list I could take a guess on one way or the other if I really had to but don't feel strongly there on any.

was his last readlist b4 day-end, if you look at his ISO and F5 for "redtea" he is very favorable/townslots this player multiple times.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Perhaps I should call it a night as well. Me getting excitable has tended to lose games.

I think winning/losing is secondary to the fun we have. I'd rather we try very hard to win and miss than stumble into a victory sleepwalking.

[Prism]

I'm just hype for me/Hectic to choke each other fighting over who the deepwolf is and then have it just be Lavender+one of Krazy/Tayl0r

[Prism]

I know somewhere in that great heavenly sky catboi is laughing at me, getting bits of popcorn all over his shirt as he guffaws midchew, playing that benny hill theme record that he loves so much

[Prism]

Okay, Taylor has no completed scumgames, but she does now have a completed towngame.

The play is night and day different-in how aggressive Taylor is, in how thoughtful her reads are, and in how willing she is to push the game to give content.

There's a slight similarity in that at one point she says essentially to just forget it and vote her, but it's visibly frustrated and is done while decrying how bad it is to drag days out as town.

There are several instances where she cites principles totally applicable to this game. One example:

Too bad that there doesn’t seem to be anyone in the entire game who can willingly defend you as town. Makes me think I’m not off base at all...

uhhhhh.... usually if youre scum you have at least one person willing to defend you. if youre town theres no one to defend you

Some of these posts are just gold given Taylor's play this game. Here's one about a readslist someone gave, compare it to her own extremely underdeveloped one this game:

See the top of this page.

i guess im looking for a bit more insight into where your head is at. what exactly stands out to you about the people at the end of the list? or what is it that makes you have trouble sorting them? even as a PoE player, shouldnt you have at least some sort of scumread by now? you havent seen any behavior that strikes you as scummy? the readlist feels like a bit of a copout. can i ask you to elaborate some more on why you have townies sorted as town?

Compare this reaction to someone else complaining about getting misfought:

good luck to us

VOTE: 72offsuit

i think i feel good about this

Sure u do. Miskicking town is always good

well if youre town go ahead and try to help us solve

Like where on earth is this Taylor that does wagon speculation and actively takes different approaches to get content from players???

well of the four people off-wagon, two are confirmed town. the odds that scum were not on the wagon are very low. we should kill someone who was on the wagon. in fact there are decent odds both scum were on-wagon, although i dunno, word is still pretty scummy.

mush i appreciate your different perspective, but i think if no one is able to follow your reasoning then theres a chance that the issue might be with the way you're communicating it. its not that what youre seeing isnt there necessarily, but somewhere along the line no one is able to seee what youre seeing. also youve been tunneled for a little bit too long with nothing to show for it. can you do me a favor and assume im town for a minute? what does the game look like from your pov if i flip green?

[Morning Tweet]

If redtea is Not Chara, does it really matter if catboi townread them? I'd think they really need to keep whoever the other mafia is alive, and if it's tayl0r/puppy/lavender, gotta shoot em dead. Especially if it's tayl0r

if I were scum, I'd say the NK was probably between catboi/Prism. I'd just shoot whichever one was the biggest threat to the non-chara's safety

I know it's probably getting old listening to me ignore everyone's reasons for not wanting redtea but yeah i dont have a lot of time rn to do big review (-ω-；)

[Prism]

OH MY GOD HECTIC IS IN THIS GAME LMAO

AND APPARENTLY HAS NOT NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE

[Prism]

god I cannot wait to hear more from hectic defending this taylor slot tomorrow, i really can't

[Prism]

Morning, I don't know how much you like to meta, but I would just say, put aside everything about Krazy for a second.

Take the ISO I just linked of Taylor's. Take the ISO of Taylor this game. Spend 3/4 minutes skimming each one, you don't even have to read that indepth.

Please tell me with a straight face they are likely town this game. Or that Hectic, who was in that game, somehow does not notice the world of difference.

[Morning Tweet]

i will be vv happy for u if that is the exact solve

I like meta but like half the time i use it, it fucks me. It definitely can work (see: Hectic's impenetrable meta tell on me), but it's just really finicky and I'm not super good at it

I would say tayl0r is, idk, trying in that game? I agree it's very different. But does "Tayl0r tries hard as town in this particular game" translate into "Tayl0r wouldn't try as scum"? Is it possible that some other circumstance related to this game is influencing it?

[Prism]

...Circumstances like flipping a role that immediately flips after the first townfight, meaning they have basically nothing to do but avoid getting fought?

[Morning Tweet]

Hmmmm maybe. Or maybe she just doesn't care as much abt this game. (´･ω･`)

That's why meta is annoying on a low sample size

If there is a good reason to believe Krazy would be the non-Chara member of his team, I could do tayl0r first I suppose since that would suggest she is the one about to escape, though

[Prism]

I get caring about one more game than another, or being apathetic in one.

The quality of reads in these games though are worlds apart, as is their eagerness to work with/engage in others. We're on page 74 and their best reads are that Tanner is scum for "gut" and that "something feels off there" about Chara

There's caring about the game and then there is not giving even the slightest hint of critically thinking about alignments a single time

[Prism]

Sample size is a problem but you better believe that if Hectic is pushing Krazy scum for Suji flaking twice as scum and once as town, I'm pushing Taylor for being a completely different caliber of player in another game.

[Prism]

Alright, i should have called it a night already, I can do all this tomorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If redtea is Not Chara, does it really matter if catboi townread them? I'd think they really need to keep whoever the other mafia is alive, and if it's tayl0r/puppy/lavender, gotta shoot em dead. Especially if it's tayl0r

if I were scum, I'd say the NK was probably between catboi/Prism. I'd just shoot whichever one was the biggest threat to the non-chara's safety

I know it's probably getting old listening to me ignore everyone's reasons for not wanting redtea but yeah i dont have a lot of time rn to do big review (-ω-；)

1. if redtea is not chara it will still matter because if not chara gets flipped today scum autolose

2. if we're talking about safety for the scum - it would be to protect tayl0r no?