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[Datisi]

Vote count 3.11

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2020-10-03 13:30:00).

execution

osuka [3]:

bob3141, NDMath, Andresvmb

PlusJOYED [2]:

Ydrasse, Tayl0r Swift

bob3141 [2]:

PlusJOYED, shellyc

shellyc [1]:

osuka

Not Voting [1]:

Menalque

mod notes

~ i know i bumped the page to grab the pagetop, but hear me out. i just spent 15 minutes refreshing the page camping for the pagetop. out in the cold. my hand is freezing. i don't care. i'm taking the goddamn pagetop. thank you for coming to my ted talk.

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[Menalque]

Okay basically I’m not sure if this matters too much bc I’m thinking it’s likely all the scum are in (bob, plus, osuka, math) and maybe the right play is the right thing to do but I lowkey am not sure that I want to do (plus, osuka) today instead of (bob, math)

I think I actually don’t wanna do plus today? I would reconsider there on a bob redflip, but I’ve been running through the fake vengeful claim and honestly that just seems so weird that I’m not sure it comes from scum? Like it’s such a batshit plan in a way that makes me think that’s town insanity not scum insanity, because it involves claiming a role that actively should be flipped and then backtracking on that so openly that it’s just... TSTBS?

And then osuka I’m really not sure on, but I think his decision to push on shelly is maybe slightly towny? Idk I could compromise here because I just can’t make my mind up either way. But Shelly wasn’t someone who was gonna be flipped today and so for scum to push that while they’re on the chopping block is a *very* non-survivalists mood and I’m not sure what the scum motivation is there? My main concern would be that it’s almost pre-emptive, as in, if osuka is scum with someone else in the pool thenthe only way to win is to manage to draw someone else in. I’ve misplayed this before myself by feeling like I needed to start undermining that person early because I’d prob still die before them if I hadn’t started creating doubt in people’s minds before gylo. But idk. I might be overthinking this, maybe osuka’s move off kerset was just scum but like rn I think this is slightly more likely to be town than my last two

Which brings me to bob and math

Math just seems to be entirely trying to coast by in the background. Minimal engagement with anything, I looked at the scumgame he linked and I think they’re similar tbh. Low posting, some slightly longer posts to give the impression of depth, and like I’m not sure I want this slot in gylo with there being such little content it’s produced so far. I don’t wanna have to try to decide between a slot that looks superficially scummy vs here if it comes down to that, and given that I think there’s a decent chance of scum here I’d rather get it out of the way earlier

Bob is... idk. I don’t like how much he’s trying to self-meta his way out of things, and I especially don’t like the argument of “I’m too good at scum to be in this position” because like, I’m p good at scum and I’ve still had games that have gone to shit and I’ve pulled that /exact/ line before and had moderate success with it. The whole PR hunting thing is moot to me too, because it’s like... okay, town PR didn’t die N1 but like LITERALLY the cop died N2 and that’s really not bad PR hunting at all imo yet you’re trying to spin that as less incriminating somehow? And idgi

But like equally idk if math and bob tie themselves together so much by both getting on osuka, when there’s the plus wagon available that one could support instead especially when bob is at risk?

I think rn I prefer a VOTE: bob guillo and I think we should choose fairly soon and move on

If someone has a strong argument for why we should do math today instead or osuka, I’ll listen. I don’t think plus is a good choice for today

[Menalque]

@taylor @ydra can you explain what you think the motivation is for plus, as scum, to claim vengeful (a role that should be guillotined when claimed if the claimant is even moderately suspicious) only to then retract it later on when it wasn’t even particularly obvious that he was going to be the one to die

And like, an explanation beyond just “he’s real bad at scum lol” because while that’s *yes* possible I don’t think it’s necessarily a good idea to default to that assumption rather than that scum are going to do what seems like best route to their wincon at any given time and like... I don’t see how this helps plus achieve very much of anything especially with the retraction. Even if he’s scum with one of the others in the pool surely you’re better off hard bussing them from day start than doing a bad claim-retract gambit

[Menalque]

@andres i feel like we’ve been missing each other this week. Do you currently have a strong preference for osuka>bob or only a mild one?

[Andresvmb]

I think the positioning that Osuka was doing was either a gambit, or Scum that wants to survive. I think they’re both likely to be Scum in all honesty, but I still think Osuka flips Scum more often than Bob does. I could just hammer Bob and get it over with.

[Andresvmb]

Actually Bob only has 3 votes. So I can’t do that.

[Ydrasse]

no one went for my little bob case like 2k posts ago and yet here we are huh.

uh, fmpov i feel it's plausible scum!plus thought somehow that the claim would get a nightkill or something and then decided to walk it back when the votes started piling up. like, didn't actually expect anything to happen from it? and there really is only one thing you can do in that case and retract it, yeah?

[Tayl0r Swift]

my scumread on plus is totally aside from the claim. but you might be right that the claim is the only relevant thing and it sorta clears plus. i dont know. im still not confident evaluating claims or setup spec/balance.

that said, im kinda thinking that bob is not only scummy but that the game is in a strange place if bob isnt scum. and a bob lunch gives us a lot of info to go on.

so VOTE: bob

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Bob

[Andresvmb]

Alright I just hammered Bob. I forgot to claim intent. Oops.

[bob3141]

menal im hurt I hope this is not scum you again. I still cant beleive you ended up wining that game with teh lylo you picked. No one listens to me, they lynch me when im almost always right.

And you know its always best to lynch me l-1. As im one good scum hunter and near impossible to lynch as scum before my buddies have been caught.

____

Wagon analysis should tell anyone im town. And leaving a big for when i flip.

Do the wagon realy flow the way they did with 2 scum on dead wagon. That takes 2 scum to do. wagonomics 101.

[bob3141]

im a town tracker

[bob3141]

your all awful scum hunters

[bob3141]

ynone of you can read day one wagons

100% of teh time

a wagon liek the teacher one is never s+s

[bob3141]

i get pushed day one after the counter wagon to kerset fails.

[Datisi]

Vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

execution

bob3141 [5]:

PlusJOYED, shellyc, Menalque, Tayl0r Swift, Andresvmb

[HAMMER]

osuka [2]:

bob3141, NDMath

PlusJOYED [1]:

Ydrasse

shellyc [1]:

osuka

Not Voting [0]:

flip

bob3141

has been executed Day 3. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

The sun sets, it is now Night 3. Sunrise in

(expired on 2020-09-28 23:35:00)

.

mod notes

~ i'm in a voice call with georgebailey, he says hello

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[Datisi]

Vote count 4.00

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-10-08 23:50:00).

flip

Tayl0r Swift

has been killed Night 3. She was a

Town Jailkeeper

.

The sun rises, it is now Day 4.

execution

Not Voting [7]:

Andresvmb, Menalque, PlusJOYED, NDMath, shellyc, Ydrasse, osuka

mod notes

~ burger party !

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[Andresvmb]

Uhm, VOTE: Osuka. We really should have done this yesterday.

[Andresvmb]

Sigh. I should also re-read. I want to see if there’s something I’m missing.

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: shelly
I think shelly is scum. I'm annoyed that our townies keep scumslipping

[Andresvmb]

I also think plus is Scum. So he should be summarily ignored. We’re not doing Shelly today.

[Andresvmb]

@Menalque I need to get your opinion here.

[Menalque]

Hello friends I’m very drunk

[Menalque]

I’m legit surprised bob wasn’t scum and I’m not sure what that means rn for the gamestate

[Menalque]

Plus why do you think shelly is scum?