Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Morning Tweet]

MT how confident are you that Krazy flips scum here?

Like using how sure you were about elements as a baseline - are we talking like 50% of that level or 70%?

Beeboy I felt uncharacteristically good about. This is probably like.......... 50% of that.

2/9 of you are scum, but I put like 3-4 off the table completely, if I can be confident of those, then I'm at around 2/6 of you. Though even with the people I'm not lock-towning I like significantly more than Krazy's slot. there are a few rogue elements left over though, if i could be sure that Lavender/tayl0r are good that would make me way more confident

It's still possible Krazy is town and we're instead dealing with a rogue element + a deepwolf, and im entertaining that a bit.

I will sheep Prism if their tayl0r wagon gets traction but otherwise im stayin put.

[Krazy]

So to be clear Tweet, you would join me with Prism on Tayl0r but you would not join Prism with me on Tanner?

[Prism]

Puppy, it seems like you've wanted me to put together a Taylor case for awhile. To be blunt, I don't have much of a case. I strongly feel that redtea was town based off of meta. Taylor is left mostly by PoE, and their struggle to justify any of their reads or more seriously engage with us while shifting the blame for that around, and playing the "lol fight me but it's your fault, I'm just apathetic town!" theater card imo. Pooky also made a great point that beeboy likely gave up on their slot for IRL reasons right before the Taylor push.

It seems like you're voting Krazy just because it's "as good as any other". Who do you actually think is the best vote here?

P-Edit: Maybe Tanner, okay.

[Prism]

I can't read that's Krazy saying Tanner not Puppy. Assumptions are bad, y'all

[Morning Tweet]

I can't very well vote for my partner, can I?

No I wouldn't join a tanner wagon I'd just circle back to u

[Isis]

MT as the deepwolf we've been looking for all along? :-[

MT u'd tell me if u were murderous right? u don't eat buttercups, right?

Line. Ignore the quote, mobile misclicking is magical and mysterious!

[Krazy]

This exchange kinda makes me want Tweet like, a lot more lol

Prism there's no way I'm selling you on Tweet today?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy, it seems like you've wanted me to put together a Taylor case for awhile. To be blunt, I don't have much of a case. I strongly feel that redtea was town based off of meta. Taylor is left mostly by PoE, and their struggle to justify any of their reads or more seriously engage with us while shifting the blame for that around, and playing the "lol fight me but it's your fault, I'm just apathetic town!" theater card imo. Pooky also made a great point that beeboy likely gave up on their slot for IRL reasons right before the Taylor push.

It seems like you're voting Krazy just because it's "as good as any other". Who do you actually think is the best vote here?

P-Edit: Maybe Tanner, okay.

im kind of being a little lazy here, by day 2 im a little tired of playing the same game (this happens in all of my games, 3 weeks is a long time for patience at this point) and i kinda feel like since we get scum either way today it doesn't matter too much?

plus my townreads at this point look like chara + ... probably u + pooky with some tanner. nobody is really threatening my TRs so why not just flip slots that need resolving? we get scum anyways

so i should probably do the taylor ISO ive been promising but at the same time it doesn't actually matter to me much rn. my fight pool looks something like tis:

krazy / lavendar / taylor / maybe hectic

MT i could go either way on, that slot probably wants resolving but i also like her, can push that off to another day, if she is chara that'd be mega lol and ideal tbh

[Prism]

I'll review Tweet because it's been eons, but she was lockdown to me along with Puppy on multiple passthroughs for a combination of progression, reactions, and interactions with the beeboy slot.

I am trying to keep my posting volume lower here, so I might hold off on walling about it for awhile just so that others keep chiming in.

[CantHateAPuppy]

thinking about who i want most...

lavendar? only because i lost a town game not long ago where scum was in a lurkish slot that nobody flipped for the longest time because someone game a meta townread on day 1 and then that player got killed. maybe that describes krazy more tbh, but since he's a sub-in and lavendar's been lurking here all along i just feel like that. im really trying to work on townreads more anyways, and on the offchance that there is a deepwolf or someone bussed hard on beeboy, there's a 50-50 we get that person today anyways.

[Krazy]

Puppy you should townread me

[Prism]

Thanks Puppy, I appreciate it. I think your pool is pretty solid. Hectic is probably my individual scumread, but I don't think he's Chara and so I'm not really going after him today.

I think getting it right is more important than you're making it out to be because even though we get information in the form of seeing Chara, now is probably our best chance to win the game until the 1v1 at the end. Deepwolf or no, today is our only chance to have a wrong townread and still win.

[Prism]

I say that not to cajole you, but in the hopes that you'll look at the slots you listed more carefully. If one is Chara, our only chance to vote them is today-and depending on the regular mafia, our life will get significantly harder.

I strongly prefer Taylor to Lavender but I would probably go Lavender over Krazy.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Thanks Puppy, I appreciate it. I think your pool is pretty solid. Hectic is probably my individual scumread, but I don't think he's Chara and so I'm not really going after him today.

I think getting it right is more important than you're making it out to be because even though we get information in the form of seeing Chara, now is probably our best chance to win the game until the 1v1 at the end. Deepwolf or no, today is our only chance to have a wrong townread and still win.

actually it bothers me that my pool is a little too "conventional", im wondering if i have any hot takes. MT as null maybe is my spiciest take? if there were more suspicion there maybe id push that, but my townreads (i mean u and chara here) are good with MT so im not going to worry about that. maybe later

let me think a bit more if i have a real strong scumread besides what ive already elaborated on

[CantHateAPuppy]

I say that not to cajole you, but in the hopes that you'll look at the slots you listed more carefully. If one is Chara, our only chance to vote them is today-and depending on the regular mafia, our life will get significantly harder.

I strongly prefer Taylor to Lavender but I would probably go Lavender over Krazy.

i guess the only other thing i'll say is that chara had to have expected to die day 1, right? so any hypothetical chara would probably have reads on day 1 that would be to set up the expected flip. ive actually been wondering about what kind of strategy a chara would use, would they distance from their buddies? bus hard? townread hard? ignore hard? it's a weird situation because being forced to die basically generates all these associates without chara having any control over them. but this game also is a little weird to hunt for them because (someone said this earlier) it just feels like a strong town.

so i end up thinking that chara probably is in the lurker / disengaged slots. that would make the most sense tbh

[CantHateAPuppy]

MT as the deepwolf we've been looking for all along? :-[

MT u'd tell me if u were murderous right? u don't eat buttercups, right?

Line. Ignore the quote, mobile misclicking is magical and mysterious!

mod-endorsed paranoia wifom, LFG! anyone not tinfoiling with me over this is, officially, a SQUARE

[Morning Tweet]

This exchange kinda makes me want Tweet like, a lot more lol

Prism there's no way I'm selling you on Tweet today?

really now? (¬ω¬)

Do you have an explanation for Hectic locktowning me yet?

[CantHateAPuppy]

Puppy you should townread me

y

[Krazy]

really now? (¬ω¬)

Do you have an explanation for Hectic locktowning me yet?

these two things go hand in hand. Your use of Hectic's read to shield yourself seems kinda scummy tbh

[Krazy]

y

because if you can find town in me then this game will get a lot easier for you, I think

also like, hectic was saying he might reevaluate based on prism's meta but then he... didn't

and tweet seems to want me bad but her reasons are kinda underdeveloped considering the depth of her tunnel

so idk, I think the pushes on me and the gamestate should spew me town, there's been good explanations of why my slot is town, pooky has observed that the NKA does not point to me, so between meta/gamestate/NKA the arguments all point to me town

So I think if you're town, you need to step up here and help guide this town off me rather than keeping me in your pool. Otherwise why really are you keeping me in your pool?

[CantHateAPuppy]

also like, hectic was saying he might reevaluate based on prism's meta but then he... didn't

point me to this? this would be a decent point

[Morning Tweet]

really now? (¬ω¬)

Do you have an explanation for Hectic locktowning me yet?

these two things go hand in hand. Your use of Hectic's read to shield yourself seems kinda scummy tbh

i feel like you're starting with the conclusion of me being scum more than you're trying to read me in good faith.

Hectic has never falsely townread me -- wouldn't you say that's a valid defense?

[Tayl0r Swift]

HURT: Taylor

I am not as confident in this anymore as I would like to be. However, even if it is wrong I suspect Krazy will also be town. I want blood, and between the two I think this has a much better chance.

this is a bad vote

[Prism]

Sell me on something better then. So far, you really haven't tried to.

I'll wear the the L I deserve if you're town but you're not doing your part, either. Shaming me isn't going to work.

[Krazy]

@hectic what do you think about the catboi NK not really making sense if redtea is scum? Catboi was one of the few people who was town-slotting red-tea hard - I don't see why the NK falls here when there are so many better townread players here..

Oh, really? I'd completely overlooked that.

Guess I need to do more research tomorrow.

actually it was the NKA not the meta but this is the post I was thinking about -- it feels like Hectic was like, yeah need to look into that, and then the next day forgot he made this post and returned to TunnelVision[TM]