Silent Star 2: Menagerie

[Kanna]

Hopefully even Dru and Kanna can clearly see that, right?

No Loki, I cannot.

I’m sorry if you’re frustrated, but please understand people are entitled to their own opinions.

Being suspicious of you is also not an attack on you or your play. I think you’ve played well regardless. I hope you understand that and won’t get upset by this further

[Kanna]

I suppose we could go n_m, but I would still prefer the unconfirmeds and then sort Taylor with a fine comb if wrong. If we go the other way and are wrong, we have to sort Taylor/Loki/Ydrasse and I don’t have confidence I can do that anymore

If you are both town, we get more new information as well

I’ll wait for others to pitch in though

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hopefully even Dru and Kanna can clearly see that, right?

No Loki, I cannot.

I’m sorry if you’re frustrated, but please understand people are entitled to their own opinions.

Being suspicious of you is also not an attack on you or your play. I think you’ve played well regardless. I hope you understand that and won’t get upset by this further

you townread me right? take it from me then: loki is 100% town here.

[Kanna]

you townread me right? take it from me then: loki is 100% town here.

i'd like to believe this is right, but...

i don't know really. i'll wait to see what isis has to say and probably go with that

[Loki Dokie]

I seriously want to [figurativatively in game] smack some heads

i cannot do with this

and i don't have words for it other than NO NO NO

and i asked please NO to this the first time

It’s pretty damn obvious that NM wants to execute Tayl0r

which of these posts:

VOTE: Ydrasse and Loki

Okay, someone give me a summary of what’s going on here

made this obvious to you?

1) It’s an expression, which is WHY I specify the words “figuratively” and “in game”, so no one misinterprets it to mean anything other than a harmless expression of sheer frustration.

2) Yes he did mess up his initial vote but he’s not only not voting Ydrasse, he isn’t voting anyone right now. He responded to his prod and essentially vanished, probably until the next one, looks like.

3) Should I even bother or are you just going to get mad again when I tell you it’s 100% not me and I honestly don’t think it’s Ydrasse either and since Tayl0r’s clear, who else could it possibly be? You can continue to ignore the reasons I’ve already given that point to it being NM and only NM or not. None of the confirmeds have even bothered to critically examine either my case on NM - which I’ve stated and restated ad nauseum but would for whatever reason prefer to gamethrow and execute my townread.

Reason: NM obviously doesn’t want to hammer Ydrasse because he now knows Tayl0r’s clear and he’s next. You otoh keep pushing me and Ydrasse to gamethrow instead of voting who we think is most likely to be scum. We clearly have a stalemate where the confirmed would rather 2 town slots suicide rather than vote for who they think is scum. If the confirmeds keep insisting on executing a slot I believe to be town, we will have a stalemate and no execution. If NM is scum, which I strongly believe him to be, the most logical play for him would be to execute Tayl0r, because she’s the clear and if that happens and then you execute Ydrasse or myself, I fear we’re going to lose.

I don’t know why I keep bothering, it’s clearly obvious it’s NM, because Tayl0r’s clear, I know I’m not scum and I really believe Ydrasse isn’t either for an entire boatload of reasons I’ve already stated ad nauseum which none of the confirmeds are interested in listening to, eventhough it’s very obvious fmpov that I’m very likely right.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: isis

It’s pretty damn obvious that NM wants to execute Tayl0r and then of course Ydrasse and me will be misexecuted and we will lose.

Hopefully even Dru and Kanna can clearly see that, right?

Why don’t you change it to NM? I don’t think Hectic will count it.

why dont you change to isis?

Because he’s confitown and NM is my scumread. Why are you insistent on voting Isis > NM? The result will be the same but you’re supposed to vote the scumread which you obviously know can’t possibly be Isis. If 2 other people vote Isis, I suppose I can switch it. If one more person votes NM, will you switch it to that, because we won’t get an execution on NM otherwise?

[Loki Dokie]

Hopefully even Dru and Kanna can clearly see that, right?

No Loki, I cannot.

I’m sorry if you’re frustrated, but please understand people are entitled to their own opinions.

Being suspicious of you is also not an attack on you or your play. I think you’ve played well regardless. I hope you understand that and won’t get upset by this further

He made a post after being prodded, then just vanished. He knows he’s next after us, so that’s probably why he doesn’t want to vote us and since it doesn’t make sense for either Ydrasse or me to gamethrow, if I can’t convince any of the confirmeds to vote NM, that means scum will decide and from NM’s pov if he is scum, which I believe he is, it makes the most sense for him to execute the slot that’s been cleared which isn’t us.

It’s fair that people are entitled to their own opinions but that in no way means that I plan to sit back and let us lose, because I’m very likely not wrong, despite not being listened to. I hope you can understand and not be upset that it would be extremely anti-town to just accept that and gamethrow, which I refuse to do. I realize that my aggressive method isn’t working but keep in mind, I would have never gotten aggressive in the first place if the confirmeds would just please stop ignoring my extremely valid and logically correct points. If you want me to acknowledge that everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how extremely wrong and illogically improbable it is, than fine. If you also expect me to be okay with the confirmeds fmpov gamethrowing and putting us at likely ridk of losing. I’m extremely sorry but I just can’t do that.

Isis did do exactly that, pretty much implied I’m some kind of monster for daring to stand up for myself and not be a doormat and Dru, called me “demoralizing” or implied it with that post. I think it’s extremely ironic that Isis called me “indecent”, when I am probably one of the only players besides you who have treated Ydrasse with consideration and respect and refused to allow myself to be bullied into executing a slot I think is town.

[Loki Dokie]

Hopefully even Dru and Kanna can clearly see that, right?

No Loki, I cannot.

I’m sorry if you’re frustrated, but please understand people are entitled to their own opinions.

Being suspicious of you is also not an attack on you or your play. I think you’ve played well regardless. I hope you understand that and won’t get upset by this further

He made a post after being prodded, then just vanished. He knows he’s next after us, so that’s probably why he doesn’t want to vote us and since it doesn’t make sense for either Ydrasse or me to gamethrow, if I can’t convince any of the confirmeds to vote NM, that means scum will decide and from NM’s pov if he is scum, which I believe he is, it makes the most sense for him to execute the slot that’s been cleared which isn’t us.

It’s fair that people are entitled to their own opinions but that in no way means that I plan to sit back and let us lose, because I’m very likely not wrong, despite not being listened to. I hope you can understand and not be upset that it would be extremely anti-town to just accept that and gamethrow, which I refuse to do. I realize that my aggressive method isn’t working but keep in mind, I would have never gotten aggressive in the first place if the confirmeds would just please stop ignoring my extremely valid and logically correct points. If you want me to acknowledge that everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how extremely wrong and illogically improbable it is, than fine. If you also expect me to be okay with the confirmeds fmpov gamethrowing and putting us at likely ridk of losing. I’m extremely sorry but I just can’t do that.

Isis did do exactly that, pretty much implied I’m some kind of monster for daring to stand up for myself and not be a doormat and Dru, called me “demoralizing” or implied it with that post. I think it’s extremely ironic that Isis called me “indecent”, when I am probably one of the only players besides you who have treated Ydrasse with consideration and respect and refused to allow myself to be bullied into executing a slot I think is town.

Oh and thank you very much for the compliments on my play. Unfortunately, they can’t be warranted if I can’t convince the confirmeds that I’m not wrong and that NM is very probably 99.9999% flipping scum here. I would think if those kind words - albeit much appreciated - were actually warranted, we’d already have if not be close to an NM hammer and the confirmeds would realize that I’m right about both Ydrasse and NM, so of/when that happens, then and only then can I possibly in good faith accept your high praise wrt to my play here. Fmpov, I am clearly not playing well at all or the confirmeds would actually be not ignoring my extremely logical and very valid points and be switching their votes from Ydrasse to NM, so I’m obviously doing something very wrong because that clearly isn’t happening yet.

[Isis]

I'm kind of skimming a bit because this has gotten kind of bleh. If I didn't have a solidified solve I would wade through the bleh but I don't need to.

Not_Mafia, please reformat your vote on Ydrasse and Loki to just Ydrasse, it didn't count before.

[Tayl0r Swift]

fine you all are boring VOTE: NM

[Loki Dokie]

fine you all are boring VOTE: NM

Thank you.

I more needed.

[Ydrasse]

gooooo teaaaaaaaam

[Loki Dokie]

I have a theory, which is that NM won’t be voting, because he knows once we’re misexecuted, he’s next. I don’t need to convince any of the confirmeds of my solve or why I’m right because NM will do it for me and then the confirmeds will have no choice but to realize NM is scum intentionally avoiding the game and vote accordingly. So, the longer we stay on NM, the sooner it will become transparently obvious that he’s scum biding his time and hoping we don’t get a majority. Closer to deadline, the confirmeds will ultimately notice that he is clearly trying to stall the vote and then they will finally then hopefully wake up to the fact that my solve and reads are correct and we will win.

[Isis]

I'll selfhammer if any of the confirmeds want me to, but I'm concerned about f4 being a hellscape

[Tayl0r Swift]

if its not NM loki and i have already solved. loki and i will vote ydrasse and i think we can make enough of an argument that its not me that plus will vote ydrasse too.

[Loki Dokie]

if its not NM loki and i have already solved. loki and i will vote ydrasse and i think we can make enough of an argument that its not me that plus will vote ydrasse too.

I know it’s not you because you just townslipped.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i did?

[Loki Dokie]

if its not NM loki and i have already solved. loki and i will vote ydrasse and i think we can make enough of an argument that its not me that plus will vote ydrasse too.

I know it’s not you because you just townslipped.

i did?

If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to execute.

Actually no but if my theory is correct, you will likely be executed along with plus and it would then be up to Isis to be the deciding vote between Ydrasee and NM, assuming NM actually votes even then.

Because unlike your traditional mafia game, a failure to reach a majority doesn’t result in a no execute, so scum HAS to execute someone.

@mod, scum has to execute in the event of a majority not being reached, correct?

[Kanna]

I'll selfhammer if any of the confirmeds want me to, but I'm concerned about f4 being a hellscape

i’m thinking no

drusilla, what do you think?

[Kanna]

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[Kanna]

isis, is your solve the same as mine?

[Isis]

Kanna that's creepy!

[Isis]

My solve is to save Tayl0r and I think N_M is more likely to flip scum but I don't know and don't care.

[Loki Dokie]

I'll selfhammer if any of the confirmeds want me to, but I'm concerned about f4 being a hellscape

i’m thinking no

drusilla, what do you think?

Unless NM votes, we won’t be getting a majority on Ydrasse, so it’s either NM flip or scum choosing.

@mod, if scum doesn’t choose anyone to execute, what happens? Would it be decided randomly?

[Hectic]

@mod, if scum doesn’t choose anyone to execute, what happens? Would it be decided randomly?

I will randomly pick a pairing which doesn't include the remaining mafia.