Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Noraa]

and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner.

This is a spicy take, you think BM would bus right out of the gate on page 2?

Also, yeah, sorry about the posting frequency I will be trying to dial it down, just gimme some leeway for the first day or so I’m v excited by this PL and that’s running through a bit

all good! yeah i haven't been on the site in a while and don't have personal experience with anyone here i don't think; but i do think that scum opening with straight bussing on page 2 is reasonable and not completely irration
bussing is one of those things that you can WIFOM the hell out of though so i'll have to wait and see

side note: i've been reading the wiki to get up to speed on all the hip new sayings - has LyLo been replaced by ELo in its entirety or is LyLo still pretty commonly used?

I've heard people say wifom and Lylo tho I have no idea what they mean

[Noraa]

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[Menalque]

and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner.

This is a spicy take, you think BM would bus right out of the gate on page 2?

Also, yeah, sorry about the posting frequency I will be trying to dial it down, just gimme some leeway for the first day or so I’m v excited by this PL and that’s running through a bit

all good! yeah i haven't been on the site in a while and don't have personal experience with anyone here i don't think; but i do think that scum opening with straight bussing on page 2 is reasonable and not completely irration
bussing is one of those things that you can WIFOM the hell out of though so i'll have to wait and see

side note: i've been reading the wiki to get up to speed on all the hip new sayings - has LyLo been replaced by ELo in its entirety or is LyLo still pretty commonly used?

I think I recognise your name from somewhere but I’m sure we haven’t played together

Hmmm. Idk, I’m not generally inclined to bus straight away but I know some people would see it differently. I guess I just think that in general, most players won’t bus that early on when their buddy hasn’t done anything /that/ incriminating and there’s still lots of ways out. I would generally only expect that from someone who is (1) really arrogant and (2) really competent as scum, and I’m not sure if BM meets both criteria to a sufficient extent for it to benefit his wincon to actively try to elim a teammate > just letting day play a little bit, seeing where the cards fall, making a push on a slot that seems vulnerable from there

So I guess: possible, but unlikely is my stance on the v early hardbus

lylo is still used but mostly as a slip of the tongue, I think. I’m backing gylo (guillotine-or-lose) but I think elo is prob the most used atm

[shellyc]

lylo = limlo, xylo
still kinda regularly used from what ive seen
wifom is harder to explain you might wanna read the wiki page

I'll reread BM because I didnt get the confident vibes at all

[shellyc]

So I guess: possible, but unlikely is my stance on the v early hardbus

it's viable but I think noraa comes off as more insincere than BM from the interaction so im townlean on BM, also my gut townpings

[Menalque]

I've heard people say wifom and Lylo tho I have no idea what they mean

You would do well to read the mafiascum(dot)net wiki

But basically:

Wifom = taking suboptimal decisions on the basis that it makes you look scummy and scum wouldn’t want to look scummy, therefore making the person taking those actions towny. Named after the scene in the princess bride where the sicilian has to decide which cup of wine is poisoned

Lylo-gylo-elo: the make or break scenario — where town outnumbers scum by only one player and failing to correctly guillotíne a scumteam player gives them equality in numbers and results in a scum victory

[Noraa]

I've heard people say wifom and Lylo tho I have no idea what they mean

You would do well to read the mafiascum(dot)net wiki

But basically:

Wifom = taking suboptimal decisions on the basis that it makes you look scummy and scum wouldn’t want to look scummy, therefore making the person taking those actions towny. Named after the scene in the princess bride where the sicilian has to decide which cup of wine is poisoned

Lylo-gylo-elo: the make or break scenario — where town outnumbers scum by only one player and failing to correctly guillotíne a scumteam player gives them equality in numbers and results in a scum victory

hmm I'll read the wiki but what I take from that is that wifom is basically tstbs?

[Menalque]

I think the best illustration of wifom from the wiki is the following:

Imagine a criminal is being chased by a community justice vigilante. The criminal arrives at a fork where he can turn either into a dark alley or head into a Main Street that’s well lit. If he heads into the dark alley, he has a 50/50 chance of being caught should the vigilante pursue him. If he heads into the Main Street there’s a 100% chance he’ll be caught if followed.

The ‘optimal’ choice is the alley because even if you’re followed you still have a chance to get away. But if you know that the community justice vigilante knows that that’s the optimal choice for you as well, you might want to head into the Main Street instead because you believe they’ll chase down the dark alley when they get to the fork.

[Menalque]

More like TSTBS can be a deliberate WIFOM strategy from scum. But that’s it’s own thing because town can definitely just be TSTBS accidentally

[Alonzo]

VOTE: menalque

Scummer

[Alonzo]

I think I'm leaning t v t on chapter one.
Not feeling a BM or noraa vote today

[shellyc]

can you elaborate on what exactly makes you think that though?

I think saying tvt on the major conflict is quite fence-sitty but waiting for an elaboration

[Alonzo]

Not sure 'guessing all the scum from observers' counts as winning tho BM

[Menalque]

VOTE: menalque

Scummer

Do tell

[Alonzo]

Noraas on a classic omgus, I feel like they will settle down eventually.
BM is cocksure, feel like we can keep him honest and on the record, and will catch any major shifts in logic going forward

[Alonzo]

VOTE: menalque

Scummer

Do tell

Did I imagine you voting a townread?

[Alonzo]

I can't find it now, I thought you voted noraa then had her in your top town a couple of posts later?

[Menalque]

I can't find it now, I thought you voted noraa then had her in your top town a couple of posts later?

No, i had BM/noraa and noraa/BM at both the top end and bottom end of my reads because I’m still currently leaning towards TvS on that and the one being scum implies the other town. At the moment I’m more on noraa!scum but for a while in the middle I was leaning slightly harder on BM!scum

[Menalque]

VOTE: noraa

BM/noraa - townlean
Datisi
Bob - nulltown
T-swizzle -null
(Rest)
Noraa/BM -scumlean

This is what you’re thinking of

Commas separate concrete objects in my readslists, slashes represent either/or in that singular position

[teacher]

I’m in another one of these games where a Hundo goes by like nothing?! Arrrrgh.
VOTE: mena
Still on page 1. Amuse me.

[Noraa]

I think the best illustration of wifom from the wiki is the following:

Imagine a criminal is being chased by a community justice vigilante. The criminal arrives at a fork where he can turn either into a dark alley or head into a Main Street that’s well lit. If he heads into the dark alley, he has a 50/50 chance of being caught should the vigilante pursue him. If he heads into the Main Street there’s a 100% chance he’ll be caught if followed.

The ‘optimal’ choice is the alley because even if you’re followed you still have a chance to get away. But if you know that the community justice vigilante knows that that’s the optimal choice for you as well, you might want to head into the Main Street instead because you believe they’ll chase down the dark alley when they get to the fork.

More like TSTBS can be a deliberate WIFOM strategy from scum. But that’s it’s own thing because town can definitely just be TSTBS accidentally

hmmm okee thnx for the explanation

[Menalque]

Amuse me.

*does a backflip*

Tbh most of the posting is me because I’m excited, but I’m about to sleep so it should calm down. I’ll be intentionally trying to limit my posting during the game so it doesn’t get unbearable, if I see a couple of people complaining about pace/spaminess then I’ll prob take a 24hr timeout where I just don’t post, but I’d like to wait for the game to be flowing a bit more before that

Pedit: ur welcome @noraa

[piisirrational]

-I don't like Menalque's exchange with Taylor where he questions Taylor why she is voting for someone who hasn't posted, and continues to push that despite Taylor making a very fair explanation. I'm scumleaning this slot at the moment.

Okay, let’s talk about this

Why do you think it isn’t scummy to catch up, give opinions on posts made by two players involved in prob the most significant relationship thus far in the game, and then essentially avoid that by sweeping it aside and calling it TvT after making posts that /do/ imply that you have opinions on the slots

I never said I did or didn't (and in fact, I actually do find it scummy, but not by much). I, however, am more concerned with this:

-You asked Taylor why she voted for someone who didn't post. She gives an explanation as to why, and you keep trying to egg it on by adding in statements such as "but she said a few things about BM's alignment" which through a quick ISO clearly shows otherwise.

[piisirrational]

-I'm townleaning BM a bit because most of his posts are things I'd more likely see coming from town!BM than scum!BM. Just a gut feeling at the moment. Could change though.

this sounds like super forced?

No, it's actually what I think.

[shellyc]

the voices of my gut tell me it's forced