Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Alisae]

Actually thinking about it now, morph could also just be scum

[Alisae]

Actually thinking about it now, morph could also just be scum

like the fact they just have LHF in their scumreads seems weird. Thats the only thing I got tho so and everything else from them seems like its probably fine

[Bell]

Hi. I’m around.
@midway, I did directly ask them to make a self meta case so I don’t think it’s fair to begrudge them using it. It occurs to me that the kind of meta defense alisae is giving here doesn’t work for me. It’s focused on post frequency and presence at certain points in the game rather than showing points where they would diverge from their scum play.

As for the votes against Alisae, I would like it if people gave their reasons specifically for why they think they’re scum.

[midwaybear]

Yeah, that wasn't really why I'm voting Alisae. But like you, the meta case doesn't really work for me either.

[Tammy]

Vote Count 1.12

Day One!

Alisae (4):

April Ludgate, bell, plusJOYED, midwaybear

plusJOYED (2):

Alisae, 420 Blaze It

420 Blaze It (1):

Maid cafe

maid cafe (1):

secret tunnel

Not Voting (5)

: zMuffinMan, Something_Smart, morph the cat, The Bulge, Remilia Scarlet

With 13 alive it takes 7 to send to rehab.

Deadline:

Friday, October 2 at 12:00 pm.

Countdown:

(expired on 2020-10-02 12:00:00)

Let me know if there are any errors, etc.

[morph the cat]

Hi. I’m around.
@midway, I did directly ask them to make a self meta case so I don’t think it’s fair to begrudge them using it. It occurs to me that the kind of meta defense alisae is giving here doesn’t work for me. It’s focused on post frequency and presence at certain points in the game rather than showing points where they would diverge from their scum play.

As for the votes against Alisae, I would like it if people gave their reasons specifically for why they think they’re scum.

Do you think they're scum?

[midwaybear]

I guess it sorta contributed to my scumread though? The main reason is that I don't really see anything that I consider to be townie on any individual post or series. If I look at the body of work, there's not much either and it seems like e has acknowledged that.
The other options seem to be Plus and maybe Maid. I could vote either of them, but I've seen some things I've liked from both.

[Bell]

Hi. I’m around.
@midway, I did directly ask them to make a self meta case so I don’t think it’s fair to begrudge them using it. It occurs to me that the kind of meta defense alisae is giving here doesn’t work for me. It’s focused on post frequency and presence at certain points in the game rather than showing points where they would diverge from their scum play.

As for the votes against Alisae, I would like it if people gave their reasons specifically for why they think they’re scum.

Do you think they're scum?

They’re slowly picking away at my scum read.
I don’t know.
I figure creating a foot print here would be a good idea and I agree that other player’s reasons for suspecting Alisae are vague.

[Bell]

I guess it sorta contributed to my scumread though? The main reason is that I don't really see anything that I consider to be townie on any individual post or series. If I look at the body of work, there's not much either and it seems like e has acknowledged that.
The other options seem to be Plus and maybe Maid. I could vote either of them, but I've seen some things I've liked from both.

This is the kind of reasoning I was afraid of. It’s kind of like putting the burden of proof on alisae rather than the other way around

[midwaybear]

That's how I like to view the game, but...
I admit that I wouldn't really be able to point out specifically scummy moments off the top my head at least.

[midwaybear]

Actually thinking about it now, morph could also just be scum

Actually thinking about it now, morph could also just be scum

like the fact they just have LHF in their scumreads seems weird. Thats the only thing I got tho so and everything else from them seems like its probably fine

Eh this seemed a little weird to me
I'm not sure what prompted the shift onto morph

[midwaybear]

Yeah, I feel decent about my vote

[Secret Tunnel]

What's weakening your scumread, bell?

[Bell]

Bog standard wagon analysis.

[Bell]

They’re not doing a great job of it but they are pushing at every player that votes them.

[morph the cat]

Hi. I’m around.
@midway, I did directly ask them to make a self meta case so I don’t think it’s fair to begrudge them using it. It occurs to me that the kind of meta defense alisae is giving here doesn’t work for me. It’s focused on post frequency and presence at certain points in the game rather than showing points where they would diverge from their scum play.

As for the votes against Alisae, I would like it if people gave their reasons specifically for why they think they’re scum.

Do you think they're scum?

They’re slowly picking away at my scum read.
I don’t know.
I figure creating a foot print here would be a good idea and I agree that other player’s reasons for suspecting Alisae are vague.

It's totally PoE for us right now. We feel like just about everyone else in the game seems more town.

We're not happy this is where we're at. I feel like most if not all the players we have below the 2nd tier line could move up or down and I'd be equally comfortable/uncomfortable with the new list.

[The Bulge]

@Tammy

mariar should be Maid Cafe in the vc

[The Bulge]

Probably Town

Secret Tunnel : notty knows what he has to do this game, and he knows he doesn't have to go far out of his way to do it. as scum we'd see a more active approach at immersing himself in the game with this playerlist, instead he's sinking right in without waiting for an invitation. intra-hydra discussion seems good as well.

zMuffinMan : the rigid stance he takes about where he thinks others' reads should be is the most interesting thing here, but this slot needs some more attention from me.

A few odd things

Bell : overall the easiest to get a town feel from but I'm stuck on the midwaybear thing and how easily it went away. otherwise only a small handful of eyebrow-raisers in an otherwise very lengthy and very townvibey iso, probably nothing I'll bother probing for now

Alisae : motives are usually transparent, although that could be a self-awareness thing and NAI. still tonally feels like town to me but the last few pages of lazy defenses under pressure haven't impressed me. don't know what to make of that. probably won't vote here today.

Boonskiies-tier

April Ludgate : intentionally playing hard-to-read or hiding in plain sight; at this point in time I can't really care about how confident my read of this slot is or is not.

Keeping my eye on

Remilia Scarlet : a lot of poking and prodding around, but always along very safe lines of questioning. avoids replicating the "lonely hydra tell" that got ns townpoints but keeps it at arm's length. I'm all for discrediting my own meta as a means of reading me but the way he goes about it in such a meta-heavy playerlist strikes me as odd. spent the better part of the game fence-sitting on my slot, which tbf so did like everyone, but he surveyed the room for some input several times. our latest interaction was especially weird to me because in all our previous exchanges, bork seemed to be happy actively meeting me halfway in terms of how he was communicating, so I didn't expect such an emotional outburst the moment I expressed any sort of doubt about his towniness.

Something_Smart : I found it strangely easy to shift to a townread on this slot just from how our main interaction concluded. I almost forgot about the suspicions I brought up at the start of that conversation. that got me thinking about how s_s has been focused this entire game, it seems, on appearing to be town without making any push that would cause too much disturbance in the greater gamestate.

Cautious

morph the cat : there are still a few very specific things I would like to explore with this slot besides a blind iso-dive. the noting of the shifty eyes has been noted for a long time.

Popular Opinions

midwaybear
420 Blaze It : I didn't like Prism's pre-game or entrance at all, but I haven't looked back on them since others have cited those posts for townleans. joining the la-z-wagon of "Probably unsortable atm."

Maid Cafe : Maria was fairly neutral, but I liked her readlist naked as it was. Not a fan of the hydra entrance or anything beeboy has posted so far. I could vote here today.

Confidently Town

PlusJOYED : consistent, open, unabashed, anyone with a serious scumread here is not reading closely. playing more methodically than anyone would ever care to admit if scum.

[The Bulge]

ayup

[Alisae]

I don’t think you wrote anything for midway

[morph the cat]

I don't hate that reads list. Don't entirely agree, but I'm not surprised. There has been decent trajectory for most of you've posted. s_s seems preoccupied with the health of the thread if that makes sense. The reads lists are like rocks in a lake. They stand up in relatively clear, still water, with few ripples to show how they got there. It's a very observational style of play.

Not sure you got the meaning of squinty eyes. Yours, squinting in suspicion.

[The Bulge]

squinty is the word i was looking for but yes that was my intent

[April Ludgate]

I don’t intentionally play hard to read, I just am hard to read for a lot of people because I’m unorthodox and charismatic.

[The Bulge]

I don’t think you wrote anything for midway

you'll find he is filed under "Popular Opinions"

[Alisae]

I don’t think you wrote anything for midway

you'll find he is filed under "Popular Opinions"

Okay let me rephrase. You didn't write anything

about

midway