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[PlusJOYED]

this is mainly gut i read pretty fast. I'll do iso dives and explanation later.
saudade is because of meta tho

[duppin]

as for my top town reads:

bugspray: I explained it in 621 as well(it's related to everything I talked about before that as well though regarding policy lynching etc). as I have said he is definitely dropped off a bit but I still believe he is town.
Jester: I made my stance very clear early on regarding selfvotes and policy lynching. There wasn't really any support for it, so I decided to ISO him and I thought he was pretty town. Main reason for this was him being a leading voice by trying to game solve but also just me finding his thoughts to be very logical and him catching on to some of the same things I did (like the shelly thing I asked her to follow up on; Jester initially questioned this and when shelly did not respond to him he brought it up again even though it seemed like she might have tried to change the subject. I really thought that was a town thing to do especially since I was bothered by the same thing)
Norwee: Early on I went a bit back and forth on him but I thought his interactions with Saudade was pretty town and I quite liked his response to Saudade calling him out. I think overall his play has been rather pro town - I don't really agree with all of his reads but to this is a bit like with Jester in the sense that we seem to notice the same things, best example would be both of us finding it very questionable how people could have a townread on Saudade.

[duppin]

saudade is because of meta tho

i see, well i would really appreciate if you could elaborate on this. i think players have called him town due to meta whereas 2-3 scum so im starting to question the meta reads

[duppin]

i think 2 players have called him town and 2-3 players have called him scum*

[Tayl0r Swift]

duppin can u try to solve anyone outside of the {saudade} pool?

sure I can follow up on my previous reads:

At the moment I am fairly confident bugspray (although they have dropped a bit), Jester, Norwee are town.

I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.

I still find redados suspicious for the exact same reasons I listed earlier. He hasn't really managed to change my mind, my only concern is still that it almost feels hm I guess too easy? There's not really much defense or counter pressure, it does not mean he isn't scum but it just makes me a bit concerned

As for Saudade I just mentioned it before.

I don't really know about the rest. In fact I am trying to avoid reading you at the moment noraa because every time I try to read you I keep thinking that this could simply be explained by you being a new player. I am kind of leaning of some of the meta reads being thrown at you

can you point us to specific posts? this isnt helpful because i cant track any of your progressions

the interaction between me and Saudade started in 631

can you walk us through posts that made you scum/townread people other than saudade and explain what about the post made you scum/townread the person?

I have no problem elaborating on my reads, but it's not really about specific posts.
However I have asked you to share your Saudade read several times now so I'd like you to do that as well

theres not much to my saudade read. i feel like he should be more active but its irl stuff rather than in game stuff, so he gets a pass for now. i really need you to explain some of your non-saudade reads

[duppin]

duppin can u try to solve anyone outside of the {saudade} pool?

sure I can follow up on my previous reads:

At the moment I am fairly confident bugspray (although they have dropped a bit), Jester, Norwee are town.

I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.

I still find redados suspicious for the exact same reasons I listed earlier. He hasn't really managed to change my mind, my only concern is still that it almost feels hm I guess too easy? There's not really much defense or counter pressure, it does not mean he isn't scum but it just makes me a bit concerned

As for Saudade I just mentioned it before.

I don't really know about the rest. In fact I am trying to avoid reading you at the moment noraa because every time I try to read you I keep thinking that this could simply be explained by you being a new player. I am kind of leaning of some of the meta reads being thrown at you

can you point us to specific posts? this isnt helpful because i cant track any of your progressions

the interaction between me and Saudade started in 631

can you walk us through posts that made you scum/townread people other than saudade and explain what about the post made you scum/townread the person?

I have no problem elaborating on my reads, but it's not really about specific posts.
However I have asked you to share your Saudade read several times now so I'd like you to do that as well

theres not much to my saudade read. i feel like he should be more active but its irl stuff rather than in game stuff, so he gets a pass for now. i really need you to explain some of your non-saudade reads

And I have. You could also just ISO me. If you want to know something specific you are free to ask as well

[Noraa]

ehm please stop quoting that horrendously long quote

[Tayl0r Swift]

duppin. you need to explain your reads. you stated some reads but i have no idea why you believe anything that you say you believe.

[Odd Day Jester]

oh as for my own read on Saudade I said early on why I thought he was slightly suspicious earlier, generally it comes to me getting the impression that he was just trying to be heard and make sure he had a presence without actually attempting to game solve. My initial plan was to just give him some time and wait for him to do something. he and a couple of other players talked about him having good reads and I have to admit I thought it was a bit odd how he kept talking about his own good reads while also saying he had no real reads yet since it is early on in the game. Don't get me wrong it obviously makes sense for him to not have good reads yet and it is definitely not fair for me to call him out for that, but i think you will agree that it is harder to fake good reads as scum which was why I wanted to give him some more time to see if he would come with these so called "god reads", but then a little later norwee decided to vote on him which I did not expect, but I decided to join the wagon since I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen. Unfortunately he had to deal with some real life stuff which made the push rather lackluster in my opinion

Why is this post so weird? It sounds defensive and unnatural explaining his own logic/thought process at the time. Maybe it's just the wording that's pinging me.

[Odd Day Jester]

am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.

Why does that come from a town perspective rather than scum trying to find scummy things to point out from every player?
A town perspective doesn't normally involve finding everyone sus at one point or another in such a short space of time. There's a lot more town than scum in the setup.

[Odd Day Jester]

now that I learned PlusJOYEd had a townread on Saudade as well I am slightly susp of that slot though

Weird that you find townreading Saudade scummy without knowing the reasons why. Why don't you ask PlusJOYED why he townreads him?

[Odd Day Jester]

i think saude is a solid townlean too

i missed this, could you explain why you think so?

Oh, nvm. Ignore me, it's an odd day.

[Odd Day Jester]

Plus, what VCA made you think I was town?

[shellyc]

i think saude is a solid townlean too

elaborate

welcome!

[Noraa]

Ngl when I saw duppin's catch up posts, I had a few kinda like "uh ok then" moments.
I wasn't greatly confident in them and still am not tbh so I will still be leaning town for now

[shellyc]

yeah shelly sucks at town sorry not sorry
im not that great either

DAYVIG: PLUSJOYED

pls don’t fracture my ego thanks
to be fair im terrible at obvtowning and bad at logical consistency

[shellyc]

gut sus read here on the wagon

yay someone is vibing this

joyed are you now jack or megabyte

[shellyc]

shelly I'm going to bring this up again simply because I want to know if this is something you are going to follow up on day 1 or not. (at least I do not believe you have followed up on it yet?)

yes I remember this!

not d1, perhaps if you wish a lot

[shellyc]

I believe shelly is town as well actually. I have not played with her and most of the scumreads on her seems to be a bit biased on meta but the reads themselves seem to be a bit lackluster to me.
I think someone said it was suspicious of her to do pre flip reads but I disagree with this a lot actually - it is bad if she starts playing around pre flips, but expressing her thoughts on a potential flip is something I find to be a bit more towny albeit easy to fake as scum as well as it helps you set up your read progression in case you get a mislynch through. But the counter argument to that in this case is in my opinion that shelly has been all over the playerlist. I am pretty sure she has called out everyone for something at this point and has engaged with everyone. I have no idea if this is out of her scumrange or not but to me her play jsut comes across as coming from a town perspective.

ooooh the pocket

tbh I liked your catchup reads (bug jester Norways for town)

one more page of reading to go and im all done

[shellyc]

they seem scummy

joyed you are an enigma can you actually explain things for one time

[Noraa]

gut sus read here on the wagon

yay someone is vibing this

joyed are you now jack or megabyte

jack? I think?

[shellyc]

Why is this post so weird? It sounds defensive and unnatural explaining his own logic/thought process at the time. Maybe it's just the wording that's pinging me.

no I like it, it’s fine to me

explaining their thought processes are protown

[bugspray]

as for my top town reads:

bugspray: I explained it in 621 as well(it's related to everything I talked about before that as well though regarding policy lynching etc). as I have said he is definitely dropped off a bit but I still believe he is town.
Jester: I made my stance very clear early on regarding selfvotes and policy lynching. There wasn't really any support for it, so I decided to ISO him and I thought he was pretty town. Main reason for this was him being a leading voice by trying to game solve but also just me finding his thoughts to be very logical and him catching on to some of the same things I did (like the shelly thing I asked her to follow up on; Jester initially questioned this and when shelly did not respond to him he brought it up again even though it seemed like she might have tried to change the subject. I really thought that was a town thing to do especially since I was bothered by the same thing)
Norwee: Early on I went a bit back and forth on him but I thought his interactions with Saudade was pretty town and I quite liked his response to Saudade calling him out. I think overall his play has been rather pro town - I don't really agree with all of his reads but to this is a bit like with Jester in the sense that we seem to notice the same things, best example would be both of us finding it very questionable how people could have a townread on Saudade.

my pronouns are they/them

[shellyc]

saudade is because of meta tho

saude’s overexplaining and not really hard tunnelling so idrt meta’s similar to their towngame

Im null on Saude

[bugspray]

is saud still wagon'd? i think it's wild how he was brought to l-2 when he said he would be gone for a few days and could come back
pressuring inactive slots is a waste of precious town resources. wait until he is back and then go ham