Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[morph the cat]

That was me-cabd asking, not her-ffery asking.

Apparently confused you, apologies.

[morph the cat]

That was me-cabd asking, not her-ffery asking.

Apparently confused you, apologies.

About miniMB that is.

[Remilia Scarlet]

That was me-cabd asking, not her-ffery asking.

Apparently confused you, apologies.

No, I know that based on context. I just kinda assume that at some point she read what I said or you two talked about it.

[morph the cat]

The other is an unease at how you're interacting with PlusJoyed.

I am getting cold feet on plus. I think he has these weird moments of clarity like 1546 and 2937 that make me think he's thinking about the state of the game as April is presenting it and deciding it's undesirable (especially if April is incorrectly townreading me as +j apparently claims he is). He really has no reason to rock that boat if scum and April is snowed on him

On the other hand like his reasons are mostly "i thought x was towny/scummy and therefore they go up/down" and that just seems like a really easy way to just apply any reasoning to a slot that you want to.

But not agreeing on a read? I don't think we were on the same page early game w/ ST either -- why is that different?

I also don't really get the minimegabyte angle you were taking -- cabd knows exactly why I was scumreading that slot and I don't think it's at all relevant to this game so I was a little confused as to what you were even trying to ask me, which is the only interaction you and I really have had on this slot.

I can't really talk to Cabd's minimegabyte stuff, other than it's based on why HE gave minimeg some wiggle room as a player in the game and wanting to see if you thought he might be falling into the same error (I think. May have the nuance wrong).

Plusjoy's stances aren't super developed or nuanced. And his current style is coming out more and more as the game progresses. He's being townread by different cohorts in the game, not just single players but these townblocs that are swimming around in the thread. That's an enviable position for a scum player, though possibly scary to a new-ish on, and yet he's pushing it away in terms of cooperating with townreads. I feel like that comes from a town place in a newer player playing what's got to be a complicated game on a social level. It's complicated to me, and I revel in the player list for the most part.

I didn't really expect anyone to get the ST stuff because it's so buried in how notsci and I have interacted over a number of games in the becoming-distant past. What bothered me is not the kind of data that I think you use as data in games. I know zmuffin doesn't. The read has improved dramatically, based on notsci's posting since then. It will be interesting to see where our meta-trajectories go from this game onward.

[midwaybear]

the gift of gab is working its magic on me
halp

[Remilia Scarlet]

Plusjoy's stances aren't super developed or nuanced. And his current style is coming out more and more as the game progresses. He's being townread by different cohorts in the game, not just single players but these townblocs that are swimming around in the thread. That's an enviable position for a scum player, though possibly scary to a new-ish on, and yet he's pushing it away in terms of cooperating with townreads. I feel like that comes from a town place in a newer player playing what's got to be a complicated game on a social level. It's complicated to me, and I revel in the player list for the most part.

I didn't really expect anyone to get the ST stuff because it's so buried in how notsci and I have interacted over a number of games in the becoming-distant past. What bothered me is not the kind of data that I think you use as data in games. I know zmuffin doesn't. The read has improved dramatically, based on notsci's posting since then. It will be interesting to see where our meta-trajectories go from this game onward.

what does any of this have to do w/ how I'm interacting w/ plusjoyed?

[Remilia Scarlet]

(I mean, thanks for the clarity, but it's a non-sequitur from the point you initially made)

[morph the cat]

Plusjoy's stances aren't super developed or nuanced. And his current style is coming out more and more as the game progresses. He's being townread by different cohorts in the game, not just single players but these townblocs that are swimming around in the thread. That's an enviable position for a scum player, though possibly scary to a new-ish on, and yet he's pushing it away in terms of cooperating with townreads. I feel like that comes from a town place in a newer player playing what's got to be a complicated game on a social level. It's complicated to me, and I revel in the player list for the most part.

I didn't really expect anyone to get the ST stuff because it's so buried in how notsci and I have interacted over a number of games in the becoming-distant past. What bothered me is not the kind of data that I think you use as data in games. I know zmuffin doesn't. The read has improved dramatically, based on notsci's posting since then. It will be interesting to see where our meta-trajectories go from this game onward.

what does any of this have to do w/ how I'm interacting w/ plusjoyed?

Your irritability* in interacting with him is to the point of dismissiveness at times. This next is probably an issue entirely inside our own heads: we felt like you were arguing against our read with us a little strongly. But, objectively you should be since you're justifying your read to us when we're pushing them up pretty high in our reads list. (You were mostly discussing with Cabd). Your points were strong enough that our read did fade some. And then we started questioning ourselves if the read-fade was justified or if we're taking your points on board too much.

When both town, we've agreed on stuff more than we've disagreed, even though agreements don't always come by the same path. Not like 100% synch in games but decently well aligned. With this much variance, one of us is obviously wrong. It's not like town vs null or nullscum vs nulltown.

We've probably had disagreements on things I held strongly in the past, and I'm just remembering all the times we didn't.

This concern is a little more on Cabd's plate than mine, because he's taken the lead in interacting with PlusJoyed. If I'm not explaining it well enough, I'll let him take it from here. (assuming he's still here).

* one of these days I want to figure out if what I interpret that way is actual irritability or is something else.

[Remilia Scarlet]

we felt like you were arguing against our read with us a little strongly. But, objectively you should be since you're justifying your read to us when we're pushing them up pretty high in our reads list. (You were mostly discussing with Cabd). Your points were strong enough that our read did fade some. And then we started questioning ourselves if the read-fade was justified or if we're taking your points on board too much.

I have to admit I felt the exact opposite, like I couldn't really justify my stance to the point that I was internally reconsidering it

[morph the cat]

Talking through this shores my read of you back up from my perspective. Which is what I hoped because I don't want to be playing this game with scum-bork.

pedit welp. My read of tone is sucking pretty bad.

[Remilia Scarlet]

irritability*

There's a lot I have to say on this and I think I'd like to save it for out of game unless you think this will give you clarity on the here and now

[morph the cat]

What do you make of Alisae's 2 letter response to E-1?

[morph the cat]

irritability*

There's a lot I have to say on this and I think I'd like to save it for out of game unless you think this will give you clarity on the here and now

I've been living without clarity since 2013. I'll get by a few more game days!

[Remilia Scarlet]

Which is what I hoped because I don't want to be playing this game with scum-bork.

you should see my notes PT. neither did i.

[morph the cat]

Which is what I hoped because I don't want to be playing this game with scum-bork.

you should see my notes PT. neither did i.

Did you also write a 10k word essay on why you wanted to be a town neighborizer?

[Remilia Scarlet]

What do you make of Alisae's 2 letter response to E-1?

It's not the level of detail I would have used when claiming this game

[morph the cat]

What do you make of Alisae's 2 letter response to E-1?

It's not the level of detail I would have used when claiming this game

Do you want to give us an end to our suffering?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Did you also write a 10k word essay on why you wanted to be a town neighborizer?

i think if i'd have gone into D2 and been given a PT w/ the two of you I'd have assumed that this whole game was an elaborate prank

[Remilia Scarlet]

@Alisae - what's your flavor?

[Remilia Scarlet]

Do you want to give us an end to our suffering?

nah

[Remilia Scarlet]

not right this second

[Remilia Scarlet]

this is usually when the thread gets pretty lively at night, expecting some sort of reactions here in a bit at least

[midwaybear]

What do you make of Alisae's 2 letter response to E-1?

it doesn't make sense to me as scum
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discuss

[midwaybear]

although i may be underestimating eir scumgame

[morph the cat]

this is usually when the thread gets pretty lively at night, expecting some sort of reactions here in a bit at least

True. zmuffin may yet get to that reset.