Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

ScumAlisae has a fighting chance still, and e knows it.

TownMe doesn’t have strong enough backup this early.

What???????

Like, why would I wait till I get to L-1 to start fighting back? It makes no sense why not just avoid the situation in general.

I believe you are back to L-3, thank’s the the Morph voting stunt

[zMuffinMan]

clearly all of you have gone quiet in anticipation of my awesomeness

now i'm getting performance anxiety, knowing that you're all still awake, watching the thread silently awaiting my guidance

[April Ludgate]

tis true

[zMuffinMan]

suppose we live in a hypothetical parallel universe where alisae happens to be town

who would you think is scum?

[April Ludgate]

Morph, possibly midwaybear, possibly The Bulge. Probably Maria.

I just really don't think we're in a town Alisae world. midwaybear actually makes more sense with Alisae, but even then, i would analyze before trying to full push.

[April Ludgate]

also, im sitting at my computer waiting to optimize my 4k footage, so I can edit without it being all choppy in davinci. taking like an hour.

[April Ludgate]

also, im sitting at my computer waiting to optimize my 4k footage, so I can edit without it being all choppy in davinci. taking like an hour.

so i wasn't just sitting around refreshing for hours, when you posted, i just happened to be at my computer browsing at the time. im editing a lot of video this week, that's why im around a lot.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm currently reading alisae posts in reverse chronological order and they seem town enough at the beginning... /end

i'm a sucker for lines like "this isn't my scum game" when they're said in a way that looks genuinely frustrated/baffled at where the scum reads are coming from

[zMuffinMan]

ig you must have scum in your townreads then!

and stuff like this reads tonally town

[April Ludgate]

AtE is a strong suit of Alisae's.

I scum read them more for their actions around the time of Bulge coming after me. Also the way Morph has been acting towards the slot is incredibly partner indicative. I explained the voting tactic they used earlier.

[zMuffinMan]

i don't think i'd classify what i'm reading as ate. just because i'm reading frustration, doesn't make it ate

unless youre referring to something else

which stuff when bulge did what now? make pretend i'm like... way behind in reading this thread and don't know when that occurred

[April Ludgate]

why wouldn't scumAlisae be frustrated in this position?

It was way back, Bulge was coming at me, and Alisae used the time to make an extremely opportunistic potentially momentum swinging vote onto me, and outed themselves, essentially, then they tried to switch momentum away from me because they realize it wasn't gonna happen, then tried to deflect and set up a 420 vs Plus situation, also possibility in Maria, which Morph was helping fuel. Morph also had Alisae as their most likely scum, and was refusing to vote, and opening up opportunity to try and go somewhere else, like their Maria setup, but I've been here with a harness on both the Morph and Alisae slots.

Morph then did the classic vote your buddy to L-1, then someone will get scared and unvote (midwaybear did this) which allows Morph slot to go and unvote again, making Alisae go from L-1 to L-3, which is where they are now.

[zMuffinMan]

it's not about the frustration itself

i'm fully aware alisae would be frustrated about the scum reads either way, given not many people are really explaining it

it's more about what alisae's been saying in combination with the frustration

it doesn't look particularly survivalistic. i don't get the feeling that alisae was really trying to avoid dying today so much as getting people to just explain stuff. you can say it's a subtle tactic or something, but uh... it doesn't look that way to me and i think there's way better tactics to avoid dying

[zMuffinMan]

has the mariaboy hydra done anything town yet btw?

i suppose i should prio that after i'm done reading alisae

[April Ludgate]

it's not about the frustration itself

i'm fully aware alisae would be frustrated about the scum reads either way, given not many people are really explaining it

it's more about what alisae's been saying in combination with the frustration

it doesn't look particularly survivalistic. i don't get the feeling that alisae was really trying to avoid dying today so much as getting people to just explain stuff. you can say it's a subtle tactic or something, but uh... it doesn't look that way to me and i think there's way better tactics to avoid dying

Demotivated scum. E does get demotivated as scum, I linked a game where e did, and went down Day 1. to be fair, that was multiball, so it's a little bit different, but still.

[zMuffinMan]

SS me dropping down makes no sense

like how is this my scum game

i suppose i should explain by example

i see frustration in this

but

it's not the frustration that i think is town

it's that i think alisae doesn't approach this sort of thing as scum from that angle

it looks like alisae _genuinely_ believes nobody can put forth a good reason in #2830. i don't really think alisae as scum approaches it like that

though if you have meta reasons to think otherwise, i'm open to hearing why i'm reading that incorrectly

[zMuffinMan]

i've been reading that multiball game on the side, it's nothing like this as far as the approach but uh... multiball is probably not the best thing to use as an example of meta anyway

[April Ludgate]

we're just reading it differently, I guess.

the actions they made earlier on top of me not believing that's not something they wouldn't say as scum, makes me feel they are more than likely scum. I feel like Alisae is scum who legit has no clue as to why they are getting wagon'd and thus don't know or feel like fighting nothing in addition to not wanting to put the effort necessary to deal with me pushing them.

I feel scumAlisae that thinks theyve played differently says exactly that.

and SS quote could be an associative, tbh

[April Ludgate]

i've been reading that multiball game on the side, it's nothing like this as far as the approach but uh... multiball is probably not the best thing to use as an example of meta anyway

I modded that game, and here I'm a player who takes action, and pushing Alisae as scum, plus, we're 100+ pages deep on a day 1.

Really, it's time to end the day, and I think at this point, it's not worth going through to another player and have them claim. Alisae claimed VT as well, so it's insanely minimal loss worst case scenario, and something super great best case scenario.

[April Ludgate]

like I could be wrong, and i'll face the consequences if I am, but I really don't feel like I am wrong here, and if I'm wrong on Alisae, I don't feel I'm wrong on Morph.

[zMuffinMan]

tbh i don't really care about outing roles so minimising information or whatever isn't a particularly compelling argument for getting rid of someone unless i think there's a decent chance they're scum

i should probably also mention that i have literally zero intention of reading the novel that is morph's ISO (i'm guessing it's gonna be like one of those thick books that sits in the bargain bin because nobody ever wants to slog through it) but i stopped thinking they were scum ages ago

[zMuffinMan]

i literally have 8 tabs of alisae games open atm

and i'm reading little bits and pieces from them all instead of focusing on one

what am i doing with my life?

[April Ludgate]

tbh i don't really care about outing roles so minimising information or whatever isn't a particularly compelling argument for getting rid of someone unless i think there's a decent chance they're scum

i should probably also mention that i have literally zero intention of reading the novel that is morph's ISO (i'm guessing it's gonna be like one of those thick books that sits in the bargain bin because nobody ever wants to slog through it) but i stopped thinking they were scum ages ago

And again, I disagree at this moment, and I'm the outed PR.

It's Day 1, and just like I shouldn't be positive they are scum, you shouldn't be that confident either.

[zMuffinMan]

i feel like you're severely underestimating how accurate someone can *potentially* be on D1

not that i'm claiming to be that accurate here, but i think i'd still rather go after someone i feel pretty confident is scum than someone who i *might* be wrong about just because they claimed VT

[zMuffinMan]

Subject: BTE: Boon Wars - Attack of the Colognes

Relly still scumreads me
Fucking Chewbaccas

Relly you’re wrong but you don’t want to talk to me about it so...

a relatively similar dynamic and a vastly different approach

entirely different tonally from flat-out believing that, say, something_smart can't give a good reason for thinking this is alisae's scum game

"you're wrong" is so, so weak and if alisae was just doing that sort of thing in this game, i'd be worried