Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Iconeum]

he was in my poe because i went 'who'

[Iconeum]

daddy

am i doing this right?

[Datisi]

i don't think golden's obvscum but you're almost acting like he is
ok, ctrl+Fing "gp" in ico's iso...

Spoiler:

it's been five hours. how do we already have nine pages? Discussion so far seems pretty spammy and unhelpful, so let's VOTE: noraa because they're giving me quite scummy vibes.

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

I feel greatly bullied here btw
y'all tunnel hard
accuse me of using AtE if u wish. In a way it is asking u to stop tunneling this hard

The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want.

Why is this a bad thing tho, we still get a scum for the trouble and we can worry about sorting the others later if this is TvS

my point is that we also need to be keeping an eye out for the other scums. I, for one want a BM lim today since I am literally so certain those aggressive pushes dont come from town. But I think while we are doing this, we should be keeping an eye out for the other scums.

to elaborate a bit on my read - nora right now is doing exactly to bm what they are accusing bm of doing to others. the hypocrisy is not lost. i don't see nora vs bm as TvT but right now I'm null on BM and scumreading nora, and i absolutely think this could be an SvS bussing episode.
i'm slightly confused as to why town would be this confident in a read that they have developed in the first few hours of the game? if you're THIS confident that BM is scum, then simply voting them and removing them (without "keeping an eye out" for the other scum) would give town a massive leg up. i'm looking at nora as potential scum, and i'm looking at BM as a potential scumpartner. piisirrational is looking pretty good to me right now, although i will acknowledge that i am biased towards analyzers/gamesolvers so i'm putting him as a null, maybe a slight townlean. although menalque is kinda annoying me with their posting frequency, i'm townleaning them because they seem at least a little bit genuine about trying to read the BM/Nora bandwagon. no one else has enough substance to be read right now.

to respond to #224 - no it didn't; most players haven't posted anything substantial yet.

the first quote is GP's opening, which is a complaint about activity being unhelpfull, despite him getting a scumread out of it. Not normal towniel logic. Not to mention hopping on what seems to be the popular opening wagon with reasons best described as... not there.

Second quote is a fencesit where GP explicitely doesn't town v townread the fight, picks noraa as the scum in between the 2, but lets open a door where he can scumread either of them, even in a team. There is not a single word of logic behind this thinking nor an explanation.

This furthers my belief that noraa v bm is in fact town v town
and GP's position is a scum opening that i've seen quite a bit recently.

this is the only post that i found from yesterday
i already talked about why the first "inconsistency" is like meh at worst to me

i'll admit my eyes are kinda glazing over the text block in the second quote but it again reads "meh" at worst?

are you able to talk about where you've seen scum have openers like these?

[Iconeum]

i don't specifically remember actually

[Iconeum]

i still think it's scummy :p

[Iconeum]

i have no problem switching to choochoo noraaa tho

[Iconeum]

is it too soon to ask for a reads triangle?

[Datisi]

i have no problem switching to choochoo noraaa tho

careful there ico, your opportunism is showing

wanna talk about the shelly townread?

and i have a vague idea of where people are in the triangle but reads on some of the slots won't be well defined

also iso diving is effort

i can start making one in like idk an hour if you want

[Iconeum]

i have no problem switching to choochoo noraaa tho

careful there ico, your opportunism is showing

wanna talk about the shelly townread?

and i have a vague idea of where people are in the triangle but reads on some of the slots won't be well defined

also iso diving is effort

i can start making one in like idk an hour if you want

tOwNy opportunism

i'm pocketed by shellyc, what's there to ask about?

[Alonzo]

is it too soon to ask for a reads triangle?

A what now?

[Iconeum]

is it too soon to ask for a reads triangle?

A what now?

you'll know it when you see it

[Iconeum]

i'm not gonna spoil it

it's a thing of beaty and nobody forgets their first, so stay tuned!

[Iconeum]

fuck speeling amiright

[Alonzo]

Who knows what about Bob?

Anyone played against him before?

[Iconeum]

players with whom i have (relevant) experience with, sorted by stars

Alonzo
Tayl0r Swift
TheGoldenParadox*
Iconeum
iamausername**
Datisi***********
teacher****
Battle Mage***
piisirrational
bob3141****
shellyc
Noraa
Menalque*******

[bob3141]

be on after lunch. goign to start catching up now

[Iconeum]

i don't recall playing against bob, but i believe i've seen town!bob in action

what ya wanna know?

[Iconeum]

or you could ask him i suppose :p

[bob3141]

Who knows what about Bob?

Anyone played against him before?

you have. it was in awful 21p large that went on for ever. You got lynched day 2 after we pushed each other. So you got spared teh 6 day nights. The 2 days for a flip.

We ended up losing as the rest of town decided to lynch obvous town over obvous scum. Though flav woudl have still won as every one beleived his doc claim due to teh machos

[bob3141]

Bob what's your read on Alonzo?

Alonzo at the moment your still largely null to me as ive not seen much from you.

The vast majority of your posts have been directed at noraa. A player you have claimed to have had a town read. Which is read i agree with. Although I disagree with your stance on bm as it just feels like town bm. As it just feels like he is feeling confident after having all his reads in his last few town games be bang on.


Apart from that you all you seem to have done is say you think menal scummy but not why. Be a bit toxic to golden. Where you called him noob so im assuming you think he is town.

[bob3141]

And since i'm leaning toward Noraa being town on balance I think golden is likely town if i'm right on nora.

I see your explanation for this, and I agree on principle with the 4th vote logic. I just dont buy the part that has it depending on Noraa's alignment. Maybe its just personal history with the early lol-wagon, but I find the later lol-wagon votes to be townie, regardless of the target's alignment. Scum dont want that kind of attention.

A town wagon and scum wagon behave differently in my experience. Although i have low data points for scum lolwagons. As the only one I have is from mini normal a while back. Where scum jumped on their buddy after it had picked up its 3rd vote. With it then getting a 5th from town.

So if i was wrong noraa in that respect of the read, golden being the 4th vote wouldn't be ai.

I just don't see scum jumping onto noraa pushing a read that required at that point both to be scum. With his first post at that. Rather than pushing that there must be at least one scum in the two of them. With him pushing noraa yes but also being open to bm being scum.

As his reasoning for them being svs was itself flawed. As I can't see any signs that noraa v bm is svs. With me feeling it's more likely tvt.

[bob3141]

Taylor-directed post

I dont really like this post and line of thought at someone who hasnt been here, I dont think? Like obviously she hasnt thought about her vote/whether or not it is still RVS/the wagon comp, ya? So why is the tone of this seemingly attacking rather than "so what do you make of that"?

Do you not feel like its a valid question for her when she does come back. Her vote is currently on the leading wagon. Which is just ahead of the wagon that grew shortly after the shelly wagon formed.

[Gypyx]

Prodding Piisirrational and Tayl0r Swift, they have (expired on 2020-09-30 11:03:24) to post game-related content before getting replaced

[Alonzo]

Bob what's your read on Alonzo?

Alonzo at the moment your still largely null to me as ive not seen much from you.

The vast majority of your posts have been directed at noraa. A player you have claimed to have had a town read. Which is read i agree with. Although I disagree with your stance on bm as it just feels like town bm. As it just feels like he is feeling confident after having all his reads in his last few town games be bang on.


Apart from that you all you seem to have done is say you think menal scummy but not why. Be a bit toxic to golden. Where you called him noob so im assuming you think he is town.

Ah yes I think I recall that game, it was pretty bad.

For clarity I tr Both noraa and BM , and the TGP was a tongue in cheek response to his previous post , but the humour often gets lost in translation, hence my uncanny ability to get killed early!

[TheGoldenParadox]

right now i'm scumreading ico decently hard; 712 was just "hmmm i did also miss this" without further acknowledgment, and then ico continued to scumread me until he was called out by datisi on that
i feel like ico's trying to push a wagon on me based on scant evidence and then 772 and the 778-780 progression is just a weird way of distancing himself from a wagon on me and considering pushing for a lynch on low hanging fruit
that being said, shelly is looking worse and worse to me and feels like they're basically blindly following and supporting ico so i'm still inclined to keep my vote where it is

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico