Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

it's a different game. I think the relatively similar is fine. I disagree that the tonally different means different alignment, however

[April Ludgate]

I'm not moving from Alisae today, really. I'd hop on a Morph wagon, but that's better for a future day.

[April Ludgate]

i feel like you're severely underestimating how accurate someone can *potentially* be on D1

Nah, I understand.

I feel like I'm accurate here, so i get what you're saying.

[April Ludgate]

literally every single other little piece of reasoning is just sprinkles and additionals.

The momentum swinging time of the Alisae vote on me when Bulge was coming after me is a scum motivated action, through and through.

[April Ludgate]

they also started pushing me with an explanation they used for my town meta, which means they were going for a misfade, not a scum kill.

[zMuffinMan]

random note: i think beeboy absolutely hates being scum and likes being town

and i don't believe '100 pages' is the reason he's not participating yet, or that he just joined to be a voice in mariar's head if they're town

[April Ludgate]

random note: i think beeboy absolutely hates being scum and likes being town

and i don't believe '100 pages' is the reason he's not participating yet, or that he just joined to be a voice in mariar's head if they're town

why would they have joined then? Idk, i'm pretty pro town Maria right now.

[April Ludgate]

if anything that makes me think Beeboy slot is for sure town, or why would Maria have them come in? I feel like Maria was probably feeling alone because they havent been here as often as others, to be fair, we're going fast, so they brought beeboy. I dont think they necessarily would do that if they were scum, if that makes sense.

[zMuffinMan]

i could make guesses about why beeboy joined but they'd be just that - guesses

doesn't matter anyway, i think it's gonna become more and more obvious over time

[zMuffinMan]

there's zero town content from the posts in that slot though (both after and prior to the replacement)

the closest i can see to town content is the attitude of "id like to see you try" when fferycabd suggested they'd vote mariaboy, but even then, meh

[morph the cat]

Welcome back.

[morph the cat]

I've been literally starving for input like this.

[zMuffinMan]

It was way back, Bulge was coming at me, and Alisae used the time to make an extremely opportunistic potentially momentum swinging vote onto me, and outed themselves, essentially, then they tried to switch momentum away from me because they realize it wasn't gonna happen

i think you might be doing the thing i have done sometimes in the past where i constructed a narrative in my head and pieces fell into place in such a way that the narrative i constructed may be correct but uh... it turned out just to be coincidence

same goes for the whole predicting fferycabd would vote then unvote stuff

actually happened to me just recently in that dance game with predicting something gentleman 2 was going to do but the conclusion was ultimately incorrect

*shrug*

not saying you necessarily are incorrect here (even though i currently think that's the case), but it's easy to fall into the trap of things happening as you think they're going to happen meaning you're correct about why it actually happened

[zMuffinMan]

sometimes i read plusjoyed posts and imagine it comes from like an AI who's at like gen 50 of a neural network learning process that's being fed mafia posts

[April Ludgate]

It was way back, Bulge was coming at me, and Alisae used the time to make an extremely opportunistic potentially momentum swinging vote onto me, and outed themselves, essentially, then they tried to switch momentum away from me because they realize it wasn't gonna happen

i think you might be doing the thing i have done sometimes in the past where i constructed a narrative in my head and pieces fell into place in such a way that the narrative i constructed may be correct but uh... it turned out just to be coincidence

same goes for the whole predicting fferycabd would vote then unvote stuff

actually happened to me just recently in that dance game with predicting something gentleman 2 was going to do but the conclusion was ultimately incorrect

*shrug*

not saying you necessarily are incorrect here (even though i currently think that's the case), but it's easy to fall into the trap of things happening as you think they're going to happen meaning you're correct about why it actually happened

Sure, but I don’t have to deal with that right now.

At the moment, there’s nothing that’s been said that’s convincing enough for me to believe my reads aren’t the ones that are correct. Flips will help that.

I have solved many games over the years.

[April Ludgate]

And on top of that, I am excellent at reading what scum actually do rather than what people think scum do

[zMuffinMan]

i'm more trying to convince myself than you atm

[midwaybear]

sometimes i read plusjoyed posts and imagine it comes from like an AI who's at like gen 50 of a neural network learning process that's being fed mafia posts

Sorta, I think he’ll become readable though

[PlusJOYED]

Vote Count 1.13

Day One!

Alisae (5):

April Ludgate, bell, plusJOYED, midwaybear, Maid Cafe (R-2)

plusJOYED (2):

Alisae, 420 Blaze It

maid cafe (1):

secret tunnel

Not Voting (5)

: zMuffinMan, Something_Smart, morph the cat, The Bulge, Remilia Scarlet

With 13 alive it takes 7 to Send to Rehab.

Deadline:

Friday, October 2 at 12:00 pm.

Countdown:

(expired on 2020-10-02 12:00:00)

Let me know if there are any errors, etc.

wow you guys went ham while i was away, catching up now
i wanna comment that it seems a lil weird that my 2 main scumreads are voting me, and I believe I expressed scumreads on both before they voted me. I don't know if that means anything though

[PlusJOYED]

The other is an unease at how you're interacting with PlusJoyed.

I am getting cold feet on plus. I think he has these weird moments of clarity like 1546 and 2937 that make me think he's thinking about the state of the game as April is presenting it and deciding it's undesirable (especially if April is incorrectly townreading me as +j apparently claims he is). He really has no reason to rock that boat if scum and April is snowed on him

On the other hand like his reasons are mostly "i thought x was towny/scummy and therefore they go up/down" and that just seems like a really easy way to just apply any reasoning to a slot that you want to.

But not agreeing on a read? I don't think we were on the same page early game w/ ST either -- why is that different?

I also don't really get the minimegabyte angle you were taking -- cabd knows exactly why I was scumreading that slot and I don't think it's at all relevant to this game so I was a little confused as to what you were even trying to ask me, which is the only interaction you and I really have had on this slot.

i like this post a bit. Me agreeing on a slot with you is purely chance, I explained my reason for moving ST down

[zMuffinMan]

he's probably town, just the way he forms reads is, uh... unique

[PlusJOYED]

The other is an unease at how you're interacting with PlusJoyed.

I am getting cold feet on plus. I think he has these weird moments of clarity like 1546 and 2937 that make me think he's thinking about the state of the game as April is presenting it and deciding it's undesirable (especially if April is incorrectly townreading me as +j apparently claims he is). He really has no reason to rock that boat if scum and April is snowed on him

On the other hand like his reasons are mostly "i thought x was towny/scummy and therefore they go up/down" and that just seems like a really easy way to just apply any reasoning to a slot that you want to.

But not agreeing on a read? I don't think we were on the same page early game w/ ST either -- why is that different?

I also don't really get the minimegabyte angle you were taking -- cabd knows exactly why I was scumreading that slot and I don't think it's at all relevant to this game so I was a little confused as to what you were even trying to ask me, which is the only interaction you and I really have had on this slot.

I can't really talk to Cabd's minimegabyte stuff, other than it's based on why HE gave minimeg some wiggle room as a player in the game and wanting to see if you thought he might be falling into the same error (I think. May have the nuance wrong).

Plusjoy's stances aren't super developed or nuanced. And his current style is coming out more and more as the game progresses. He's being townread by different cohorts in the game, not just single players but these townblocs that are swimming around in the thread. That's an enviable position for a scum player, though possibly scary to a new-ish on, and yet he's pushing it away in terms of cooperating with townreads. I feel like that comes from a town place in a newer player playing what's got to be a complicated game on a social level. It's complicated to me, and I revel in the player list for the most part.

I didn't really expect anyone to get the ST stuff because it's so buried in how notsci and I have interacted over a number of games in the becoming-distant past. What bothered me is not the kind of data that I think you use as data in games. I know zmuffin doesn't. The read has improved dramatically, based on notsci's posting since then. It will be interesting to see where our meta-trajectories go from this game onward.

pretty spot on with how im feeling morph. If I was scum I'd jump into the townblock in a heartbeat for reasons stated earlier; I don't buy April's idea that scum are easy to catch in a townblock. I'm also a little in the dark on the super developed meta stuff people have on each other, so I'm mainly choosing to look at meta less so I can be a second opinion on some of those slots that have been sorted due to meta, with the only slots im looking at meta on at all is somewhat bulge and bell, but on both of those I'm moreso seeing meta as a sidedish.

[PlusJOYED]

What do you make of Alisae's 2 letter response to E-1?

it doesn't make sense to me as scum
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Opposite.

That seems like defeatism.

agree with morph here. don't rolepms have like lots of flavor?

[PlusJOYED]

actually hold on
i was thinking about this off and on and what it means for claiming

Mafia Members may make the factional nightkill in addition to any active abilities they have. Mafia Members have pre-written fakeclaims AND I will fabricate additional fakeclaims upon request. That being said, don't quote role PMs; paraphrasing is fine, don't quote, quoting makes my life harder and bullshitting much more difficult.

so if mafia have fake rolepms to use, I'm not sure just claiming vt raw would make sense as scum unless it's wifom. I don't know how good the flavor is on the provided fakeclaims, but I'm assuming that since they are most likely written by the same guy who did the initial rolepms, they'd probably be pretty good to use. And if they are strong, I'd think that it'd make most sense for mafia to post as much of the fakeclaim as they can for towncred.

[PlusJOYED]

It was vanilla frosting and it wasn’t very good cake. Party was slightly touching tho.
Alisae implied they wouldn’t claim a power role earlier if they had flipped on that position I would have been screaming from the rooftops to get them eliminated.

As for whether I believe the vanilla claim. The answer is in the frosting.
It wasn’t very good cake.

when was this?