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[Odd Day Jester]

jester when did you start scum reading Grendel/Taylor?

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[duppin]

actually shelly said that the confidence had nothing to do with her alignment so i think its weird that she seems to suggest it might have something to do with her role now

[Odd Day Jester]

Oh, really? Link the post?

[shellyc]

Oh, it has something to do with your role. I figured it was a playstyle choice you'd decided on pregame.

has to do with *something*.

What If This Is Just a Huge Bait

[shellyc]

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

[shellyc]

im actually rethinking

jester actively tells us to avoid the topic which I quite protown

not sure I love duppin’s response though

[duppin]

Oh, really? Link the post?

I mean the whole reason it started was due her saying the confidence had nothing to do with her alignment:

Okay, basically, shellyc, I think confidence/cockiness is a major scumtell for you. You're a lot more reserved and less aggressive in your town games, and play just like this in all of your scum games. I had to stretch for meta a bit, and look at marathons games too.

have you considered non-alignment reasons for confidence?

[duppin]

jester + duppin role fishing scum?

I explicitly softed hard that I was an Informed Townie to find those ROLEFISHERS

in all honestness it’s just a play style choice. jesters right, im trying to be more assertive to push my reads harder and be more convincing as town?

no matter what your alignment is I really think you need to drop the role fishing angle because no one talked about roles until you brought it up the second time i asked you if you were going to follow up on your statement since you said you would do so. you were the first and only one to indirectly paint yourself as a role, i have not asked for your role at any point all I did was ask you if you were going to follow up on your claim saying that your confidence had nothing to do with your alignment which to me indicated that it had nothing to do with your role either, so i have no idea how you could reach the conclusion it could be rolefishing the second time to be honest.

[duppin]

to me it comes across as you wanting shutdown the discussion, as for your motivation i have no idea. perhaps it is because you are indeed a role, i cant possibly now all i am pointing out is that i am not too fond of how this went down no matter what your alignment is

[duppin]

oh you said it was a playstyle choice. if that is the case then I think this was a weird play to be honest

[duppin]

looking back at the whole thing, this doesnt really affect my read on her that much. I think its a super weird play but it kind of lines up with some of her other "baits". Whether she is using bait as an excuse or not i cant tell, but ultimately i still believe she is leaning town at the moment

[duppin]

you know actually ill get back to this later, i wanted to ISO her again but theres so many posts so ill do it later and i dont have time for that right now

[Noraa]

I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

iS tHiS tMi sHeLlY?

No i mean it's an unpopular opinion to wagon someone that's inactive/VLA.

Yeah no we are NOT limming Saudade today. I do not stan.

My lim order goes like this now
Taylor
Jackson
Saudade
Duppin
Redados=Noraa

I don’t really know what to make of duppin’s TR on me which is pretty controversial
idrt duppinVtaylor is town vs town and I think it’s likely TvS aorn

p-edit: give me some time to Quote Things and make a big ugly quote wall

How'd scum!Noraa get a free town pass so fast? Shelly my SR on u has been wavering since I didn't see u tunnel or flip flop as much as you normally do in a scumgame. but this specifically is actually starting to make me raise some eyebrows.

it's also why my townread on shelly is not as strong as the others because i dont really follow most of her logic, but her tone and aggressivenes to me just resemble more of a townplay. to me it does not come across as her having an agenda. You seem to suggest it is part of her scum meta, but could you explain what you think is different compared to her townmeta then?

.......thats literally EXACTLY how I would describe shelly as scum.... As town she's a bit less aggressive...

[Noraa]

I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

iS tHiS tMi sHeLlY?

No i mean it's an unpopular opinion to wagon someone that's inactive/VLA.

Yeah no we are NOT limming Saudade today. I do not stan.

My lim order goes like this now
Taylor
Jackson
Saudade
Duppin
Redados=Noraa

I don’t really know what to make of duppin’s TR on me which is pretty controversial
idrt duppinVtaylor is town vs town and I think it’s likely TvS aorn

p-edit: give me some time to Quote Things and make a big ugly quote wall

How'd scum!Noraa get a free town pass so fast? Shelly my SR on u has been wavering since I didn't see u tunnel or flip flop as much as you normally do in a scumgame. but this specifically is actually starting to make me raise some eyebrows.

it's also why my townread on shelly is not as strong as the others because i dont really follow most of her logic, but her tone and aggressivenes to me just resemble more of a townplay. to me it does not come across as her having an agenda. You seem to suggest it is part of her scum meta, but could you explain what you think is different compared to her townmeta then?

.......thats literally EXACTLY how I would describe shelly as scum.... As town she's a bit less aggressive...

[Noraa]

FUCK MY WIFI

[PlusJOYED]

Plus, what VCA made you think I was town?

From what I saw you didn't vote a ton and were pretty consistent. I think if you were LAMIST TSTBS you'd be swapping wagons a lot cause you wanna be seen as "scum" but you've mainly stayed still

[PlusJOYED]

I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

your case on jackson seemed to be omgus from what I remember. why do you think my slot is scum?

[PlusJOYED]

I still remember my case on Jackson and I stand by it

I want to interact with joyed but joyed’s play is super LHF and weird which may colour my read. they were lynchbait in both my scumgames with them

iS tHiS tMi sHeLlY?

No i mean it's an unpopular opinion to wagon someone that's inactive/VLA.

Yeah no we are NOT limming Saudade today. I do not stan.

My lim order goes like this now
Taylor
Jackson
Saudade
Duppin
Redados=Noraa

I don’t really know what to make of duppin’s TR on me which is pretty controversial
idrt duppinVtaylor is town vs town and I think it’s likely TvS aorn

p-edit: give me some time to Quote Things and make a big ugly quote wall

How'd scum!Noraa get a free town pass so fast? Shelly my SR on u has been wavering since I didn't see u tunnel or flip flop as much as you normally do in a scumgame. but this specifically is actually starting to make me raise some eyebrows.

it's also why my townread on shelly is not as strong as the others because i dont really follow most of her logic, but her tone and aggressivenes to me just resemble more of a townplay. to me it does not come across as her having an agenda. You seem to suggest it is part of her scum meta, but could you explain what you think is different compared to her townmeta then?

.......thats literally EXACTLY how I would describe shelly as scum.... As town she's a bit less aggressive...

not necessarily more agressive noraa, there was a game where scum!shelly hopped around on votes a lot and was agreeable too. I'd be very suprised if shelly played like they did in doggos again as scum

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly, shelly is efforting so much that she'll hopefully just spew herself as town/scum further down the line. It really does feel like this is her scummeta based on what I've seen, mostly from stuff she did early on, buuuut I'll shelve this for a bit.

VOTE: Tayl0r

Idk what i'm doing so i guess i'll sheep you. Tayl0r has been firm null for me anyway so not a bad place for me to place my vote.
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[UNOwen]

Also, about Redados's catchup wall there: I like the number of times he reaffirms he's still scumreading UNOwen throughout that post, it gives me the feeling he's constantly thinking about the read while he catches up, and is keeping us updated about it. Also, his thoughts on UNOwen early kinda mirrored mine in that he was being a little too selective in his posting, which is why I prompted him to talk to me about Noraa. Redados pushing this over someone like shelly who looks like a far more viable counterwagon I also like. I don't think Redados is scum.

Interesting, that is not the impression I got. Did you have those thoughts about my play after my second post? This is probably now my biggest issue with Redados, because the suspicion seems more like a broad overview of my play rather than something which developed naturally.

The meta argument about Redados lol-posting previously is acknowledged.

[PlusJOYED]

funny thing is I have a gut feel on unOwen being scum but their posts seem towny

[NorwegianboyEE]

PlusJoyed you scumread Tayl0r. Wanna join this wagon? It seems better than Redados.

[PlusJOYED]

okey. i haven't done a full analysis on taylor but grendel was sus af

[PlusJOYED]

UNVOTE: red
VOTE: taylor

[UNOwen]

Duppin attention is interesting, I thought he had townie vibes earlier but I guess there are some questions worth asking.

@duppin

-If you agreed with sus!redados why not join the wagon for pressure when it became clear saudade would not be returning any time soon?
-Are you aware (1404) that Jester floated the exact same theory when they first replaced out?
-Do you consider "he was actively trying to solve the game when he could have easily just camped his vote" to be a still accurate assessment of bugspray?