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@ico: what information do you hope to gain out of a noraa flip? more specifically how would your reads change for d2 based on noraa flipping town or scum respectively- TheGoldenParadox
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i was scumreading you prior to that, so don't act surprised my scumread is still there?In post 799, TheGoldenParadox wrote:right now i'm scumreading ico decently hard; 712 was just "hmmm i did also miss this" without further acknowledgment, and then ico continued to scumread me until he was called out by datisi on that
i feel like ico's trying to push a wagon on me based on scant evidence and then 772 and the 778-780 progression is just a weird way of distancing himself from a wagon on me and considering pushing for a lynch on low hanging fruit
that being said, shelly is looking worse and worse to me and feels like they're basically blindly following and supporting ico so i'm still inclined to keep my vote where it is
looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on icoRawr!
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im not an "it" ....In post 722, Iconeum wrote:welp, my stuff went inside the quote there…
*this game is looking to benefit from a noraa flip the more it posts*
2 a's is enough
And now for the actual things I have to sayDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont like either side of this argument. Ico def looks like they're trying to push some LHF however Golden quickly flipping sides(from BM to me) is really really sus. I'm in a terrible position rn as newbtown that is a likely candidate for a day 1 lim. Scums will see that and think rn is the perfect time to pocket. And the thing is I get in a lot of hot water as town but someone that really knows their way around ms can pretty easily shift attention and save a town!Noraa. Golden is striking me as that scum that's trying to pocket me to most likely get me to vote with them by defending me here. Except it definitely looks like they're failing to shift attention away.In post 804, TheGoldenParadox wrote:noraa is low hanging fruit
Ico saying that they started off TRing and then shifted to a SR kinda just looks like a way to "backpedal" kinda when I flip green. Cuz it shows they were uncertain and if I get limmed day 1, it would just mean that most people agree that my play was scummy. And if that happens, Ico won't have to take any responsibility whatsoever. This is also seeming pretty scummy to me atm.
I think both seem scummy however I dont think they are scum together.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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no i thought most people who had been actually contributing were +town.In post 207, Menalque wrote:
So is your stance that every post made so far is NAIIn post 203, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.In post 200, Menalque wrote:
Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very littleIn post 193, Tayl0r Swift wrote:VOTE: shelly
i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.
also i forgot to bookmark this game. i forgot it started and was getting really frustrated that it hadnt started. catching up now- Tayl0r Swift
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you consistently do this, eh? you make an accusation, assume it to be true, and then make further accusations based on the first accusation being true without even letting the other person respond. its kinda shitty.In post 211, Menalque wrote:In post 169, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3In post 72, Battle Mage wrote:
You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.In post 67, Noraa wrote:So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see
However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).In post 175, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
how would you know if scumhunter noraa is good at her job if shes never finished her job?In post 105, Noraa wrote:Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon
These do not sound to me like posts from someone who believes that everything posted from these two slots so far is NAIIn post 183, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
taylor must be scumIn post 123, Battle Mage wrote:that's helpful, thanks Bob! she doesn't really think datisi is null, she's just too scared of him to continue pressing. Doesn't want a fight on two-fronts, which seems like sensible play for Noraa-scum, but nonsensical play for Noraa-town.
On a lighter note, Taylor Swift hasn't posted in the first 5 pages!?- Tayl0r Swift
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what happens if its none of those people? then youre nothing and you should sig it anyway?In post 213, Menalque wrote:If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame- Tayl0r Swift
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its not fence-sitty. i took a firm stance that neither of them is scum.In post 230, shellyc wrote:
fence-sitty and trying to shrug off this interaction as TvT looks quite the scum move hereIn post 199, Tayl0r Swift wrote:you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.- Tayl0r Swift
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FoS menalIn post 239, Menalque wrote:I’m going to default to town just because of rand odds- Tayl0r Swift
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i guess to elaborate - being unable to come up with an actual reason for a read and defaulting to town because "chance" screams scum struggling to scumhunt and sort people because of TMIIn post 811, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
FoS menalIn post 239, Menalque wrote:I’m going to default to town just because of rand odds- TheGoldenParadox
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can we make it extremely clear that there was no "flipping sides" and if you read what you quoted you'd understand that it was a fairly reasonable and consistent transition from nora!scum to nora!newbtown so please stop attacking me along those lines without reading the posts you quote.In post 806, Noraa wrote:
I dont like either side of this argument. Ico def looks like they're trying to push some LHF however Golden quickly flipping sides(from BM to me) is really really sus. I'm in a terrible position rn as newbtown that is a likely candidate for a day 1 lim. Scums will see that and think rn is the perfect time to pocket. And the thing is I get in a lot of hot water as town but someone that really knows their way around ms can pretty easily shift attention and save a town!Noraa. Golden is striking me as that scum that's trying to pocket me to most likely get me to vote with them by defending me here. Except it definitely looks like they're failing to shift attention away.In post 804, TheGoldenParadox wrote:noraa is low hanging fruit
Ico saying that they started off TRing and then shifted to a SR kinda just looks like a way to "backpedal" kinda when I flip green. Cuz it shows they were uncertain and if I get limmed day 1, it would just mean that most people agree that my play was scummy. And if that happens, Ico won't have to take any responsibility whatsoever. This is also seeming pretty scummy to me atm.
I think both seem scummy however I dont think they are scum together.
pedit: that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. just based off probability, you should start with the assumption that someone is town because there is a 75% chance of them being so.- Tayl0r Swift
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lylo is fine if you replace lynch with lunchIn post 253, shellyc wrote:lylo = limlo, xylo
still kinda regularly used from what ive seen
wifom is harder to explain you might wanna read the wiki page
I'll reread BM because I didnt get the confident vibes at all
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I read them but I dont think it was a reasonable transitionDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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shelly youve scumread me in literally every single game we've been in together i thinkIn post 327, shellyc wrote:
alonzo's reads null, but I concur with the taylor ping a lot. teacher gut townlean + catchup logic was easy to followIn post 323, teacher wrote:I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon). Taylor for the lack of an RVS, then perhaps TMI-shade, which she didnt even follow through on.
hi iconeum, ive seen the name but probably never played with you
whats your take on BMvnoraa- Tayl0r Swift
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i can. but i usually dont for a while even if everyone has posted. im much better at finding town than scum. so ill find a bunch of town and then narrow down a PoE. sorry if my playstyle isnt to your liking.In post 357, Iconeum wrote:
somewhat agree with disliking thisIn post 201, Menalque wrote:In post 199, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.In post 196, Menalque wrote:Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that votemena disliked this post
unsure why taylor can't have scumreads until everyone has posted… sounds like stalling, which town doesn't or shouldn't do- Tayl0r Swift
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you just shaded me for my only pings being datisi and menal being scum together, and here you are saying the same thing. boo you.In post 361, Iconeum wrote:
datisi is actually scumIn post 219, Datisi wrote:right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean
level-zero-thinking says kinda susIn post 216, Menalque wrote:Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?
for more elaborate thought ask me later
with menal? maybe
even if i was in a pt, datisi would Always be protecting me here because they knowIT'S MY WEEKEND VLA- Battle Mage
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I think I've only ever played with him as town. He's very good - as noted earlier, most underrated town player on the site in my view.
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rational mediators dont take sides. they stay in the middle, say its TvT, and encourage people to chill because their pushes are bad. oh wait thats what i was doing.In post 370, shellyc wrote:
random vote on me??In post 193, Tayl0r Swift wrote:VOTE: shelly
i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.
shade on menal + dats and try to be the rational mediator in the noraavBM fight
insisting on TvT for no reason? TMI??In post 202, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd. by the time i posted, menal corrected it.In post 197, Datisi wrote:
from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignmentIn post 172, Menalque wrote:
I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)In post 153, Datisi wrote:i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa
i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious
pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?
i still think thats probably TvT though- Tayl0r Swift
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i was being sarcastic. you were telling people that they should have sorted you as town by then. it was page 3, there wasnt much content, and most people hadnt posted. thanks for proving my point.In post 378, Battle Mage wrote:
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I agree 1000% with this.In post 753, Iconeum wrote:
i vaguely remember KICKING YOUR ASS there yeahIn post 751, Datisi wrote:
have you not played in smuggler's?In post 716, Iconeum wrote:also pointing out that one's capability to make coherent thoughts isn't town!indicative
i'm more wary about the fact that i *have* been producing content butIn post 719, Iconeum wrote:dat shade on datisi wow: 'i don't know this player at all, but i'm SURE it produces content so it must be scum here'
ico, why does the game benefit from noraa flip? what do we learn?
because noraa right now is 1 of 2 things:
1) town who is incapable and apparently unwilling to try and establish a cooperation with others, completely tunneled in in a slot that (most? at least some) players are saying is town, and completely unsorting otherwise
2) scum
neither i wanna keep in the game, and i've called noraaaaa out to try and break the tunnel a bit, to give us something to work with
failing to do so… yeah. A good flip. On top of that there have been quite a few statements about the noraa v bm fight, so there *are* things to be learned upon a flip.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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In post 381, Battle Mage wrote:ah, i'm taking a break from this one, you guys spam so much!
I'll be watching though!
this sequence is funny with BM saying hes gonna take a back seat/break and then immediately BM posted ~10 more timesIn post 382, Battle Mage wrote:
I disagree, but the jury's out on everyone really - I'm not lock-scum on Noraa or anything mad. I think there's going to be high volume posting in this game, so I'm going to take more of a backseat and share my observations later.In post 380, Iconeum wrote:BM, hot take
noraa counter tunneling and omgus'ing you isn't scum!indicative
noraa using the newbie card to get out of jail for free is NAI, because scum!noraa would probably be using that as much as town!noraa
In response to Datisi and Menalque calling me arrogant - not actually true, it's mostly just tongue-in-cheek really!
I'm aware my scumhunting record overall is pretty marginal at best, although on my day I can be very good, and am improving with age. I generally do my best work when i don't post so much, however that's also less fun! Also pressuring newbies in non-newbie games is just objectively the right thing to do.- Battle Mage
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shouldn't you like, focus on back-up modding this game?In post 821, Tayl0r Swift wrote:
i was being sarcastic. you were telling people that they should have sorted you as town by then. it was page 3, there wasnt much content, and most people hadnt posted. thanks for proving my point.In post 378, Battle Mage wrote:
...you hadn't even posted by page 3?In post 169, Tayl0r Swift wrote: yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3
because you are THE WORST.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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