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@ico

: what information do you hope to gain out of a noraa flip? more specifically how would your reads change for d2 based on noraa flipping town or scum respectively

[TheGoldenParadox]

damn it i wasn't trying to quote 739 ignore that please

[Iconeum]

right now i'm scumreading ico decently hard; 712 was just "hmmm i did also miss this" without further acknowledgment, and then ico continued to scumread me until he was called out by datisi on that
i feel like ico's trying to push a wagon on me based on scant evidence and then 772 and the 778-780 progression is just a weird way of distancing himself from a wagon on me and considering pushing for a lynch on low hanging fruit
that being said, shelly is looking worse and worse to me and feels like they're basically blindly following and supporting ico so i'm still inclined to keep my vote where it is

looking at a {shelly, ico, x} scumteam rn but i think that flipping shelly and observing their interactions will be super helpful. if shelly flips scum i'm confident in ico!scum as well and if shelly flips town i'd go to a TL on ico

i was scumreading you prior to that, so don't act surprised my scumread is still there?

[Iconeum]

pushing low hanging fruit? me?

where?

[TheGoldenParadox]

noraa is low hanging fruit

[Noraa]

welp, my stuff went inside the quote there…

*this game is looking to benefit from a noraa flip the more it posts*

im not an "it" ....

2 a's is enough

And now for the actual things I have to say

[Noraa]

pushing low hanging fruit? me?

where?

noraa is low hanging fruit

I dont like either side of this argument. Ico def looks like they're trying to push some LHF however Golden quickly flipping sides(from BM to me) is really really sus. I'm in a terrible position rn as newbtown that is a likely candidate for a day 1 lim. Scums will see that and think rn is the perfect time to pocket. And the thing is I get in a lot of hot water as town but someone that really knows their way around ms can pretty easily shift attention and save a town!Noraa. Golden is striking me as that scum that's trying to pocket me to most likely get me to vote with them by defending me here. Except it definitely looks like they're failing to shift attention away.

Ico saying that they started off TRing and then shifted to a SR kinda just looks like a way to "backpedal" kinda when I flip green. Cuz it shows they were uncertain and if I get limmed day 1, it would just mean that most people agree that my play was scummy. And if that happens, Ico won't have to take any responsibility whatsoever. This is also seeming pretty scummy to me atm.

I think both seem scummy however I dont think they are scum together.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

Like why are you voting someone who (1) hasn’t posted yet (2) voting somewhere totally unproductive when there is actually already content that you’ve made a *very ostentatious show of reading through* and (3) suggesting this TvT when it’s not really coming across that way to me and that seems like a very odd take for several pages of early aggression between two slots based on very little

sorry, you dont get to bully me into joining your preferred wagon. you think it isnt TvT, i disagree. until *I* see something scummy, im not gonna place a serious vote. considering that more than half the playerlist hasnt really posted and the four who have posted have been in a shitfight, i think thats reasonable.

So is your stance that every post made so far is NAI

no i thought most people who had been actually contributing were +town.

also i forgot to bookmark this game. i forgot it started and was getting really frustrated that it hadnt started. catching up now

[Tayl0r Swift]

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.

However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

Post # 102 is a bit provocative. Unfortunately I dont get mad that easily so you won't be able to get a huge reaction out of me and SR me for it. I talk about myself in third person from time to time correct. The other part is kinda rude however scumhunter Noraa isn't bad at her job so u best watch out. Rn a wagon on u sounds like the best wagon

how would you know if scumhunter noraa is good at her job if shes never finished her job?

that's helpful, thanks Bob! she doesn't really think datisi is null, she's just too scared of him to continue pressing. Doesn't want a fight on two-fronts, which seems like sensible play for Noraa-scum, but nonsensical play for Noraa-town.

On a lighter note, Taylor Swift hasn't posted in the first 5 pages!?

taylor must be scum

These do not sound to me like posts from someone who believes that everything posted from these two slots so far is NAI

you consistently do this, eh? you make an accusation, assume it to be true, and then make further accusations based on the first accusation being true without even letting the other person respond. its kinda shitty.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If it’s icon/noraa/Taylor then I’m a god and I’m sigging myself saying this postgame

what happens if its none of those people? then youre nothing and you should sig it anyway?

[Tayl0r Swift]

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

fence-sitty and trying to shrug off this interaction as TvT looks quite the scum move here

its not fence-sitty. i took a firm stance that neither of them is scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I’m going to default to town just because of rand odds

FoS menal

[Tayl0r Swift]

I’m going to default to town just because of rand odds

FoS menal

i guess to elaborate - being unable to come up with an actual reason for a read and defaulting to town because "chance" screams scum struggling to scumhunt and sort people because of TMI

[TheGoldenParadox]

pushing low hanging fruit? me?

where?

noraa is low hanging fruit

I dont like either side of this argument. Ico def looks like they're trying to push some LHF however Golden quickly flipping sides(from BM to me) is really really sus. I'm in a terrible position rn as newbtown that is a likely candidate for a day 1 lim. Scums will see that and think rn is the perfect time to pocket. And the thing is I get in a lot of hot water as town but someone that really knows their way around ms can pretty easily shift attention and save a town!Noraa. Golden is striking me as that scum that's trying to pocket me to most likely get me to vote with them by defending me here. Except it definitely looks like they're failing to shift attention away.

Ico saying that they started off TRing and then shifted to a SR kinda just looks like a way to "backpedal" kinda when I flip green. Cuz it shows they were uncertain and if I get limmed day 1, it would just mean that most people agree that my play was scummy. And if that happens, Ico won't have to take any responsibility whatsoever. This is also seeming pretty scummy to me atm.

I think both seem scummy however I dont think they are scum together.

can we make it extremely clear that there was no "flipping sides" and if you read what you quoted you'd understand that it was a fairly reasonable and consistent transition from nora!scum to nora!newbtown so please stop attacking me along those lines without reading the posts you quote.

pedit: that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say. just based off probability, you should start with the assumption that someone is town because there is a 75% chance of them being so.

[Tayl0r Swift]

lylo = limlo, xylo
still kinda regularly used from what ive seen
wifom is harder to explain you might wanna read the wiki page

I'll reread BM because I didnt get the confident vibes at all

lylo is fine if you replace lynch with lunch

hop on the lunchwagon, people

[Noraa]

I read them but I dont think it was a reasonable transition

[Tayl0r Swift]

I found Alonzo and Taylor's entries to be the pingiest. Alonzo with a naked vote and then absence, only to call TvT and foist a weak/obviously disprovable vote on Menalque (a slot that had been FoSed by enough to be a potential wagon). Taylor for the lack of an RVS, then perhaps TMI-shade, which she didnt even follow through on.

alonzo's reads null, but I concur with the taylor ping a lot. teacher gut townlean + catchup logic was easy to follow

hi iconeum, ive seen the name but probably never played with you

whats your take on BMvnoraa

shelly youve scumread me in literally every single game we've been in together i think

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually maybe Taylor should be a scumlean based on that vote

you want me to vote for BM or noraa? no. i think theyre both prolly town. there are no other wagons, its an rvs vote. once everyone has posted then maybe ill have a legit scumread.

mena disliked this post

somewhat agree with disliking this

unsure why taylor can't have scumreads until everyone has posted… sounds like stalling, which town doesn't or shouldn't do

i can. but i usually dont for a while even if everyone has posted. im much better at finding town than scum. so ill find a bunch of town and then narrow down a PoE. sorry if my playstyle isnt to your liking.

[Tayl0r Swift]

right, nulltown
i just saw him above null and sorted it as townlean

Serious thoughts on icon reading our PT and not responding to me in it especially after he specifically asked me to play in this game?

level-zero-thinking says kinda sus

for more elaborate thought ask me later

datisi is actually scum

with menal? maybe

even if i was in a pt, datisi would Always be protecting me here because they know

IT'S MY WEEKEND VLA

you just shaded me for my only pings being datisi and menal being scum together, and here you are saying the same thing. boo you.

[Battle Mage]

Who knows what about Bob?

Anyone played against him before?

I think I've only ever played with him as town. He's very good - as noted earlier, most underrated town player on the site in my view.

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: shelly

i dont like that menal and datisi townread each other and then proceed to put themselves on opposing sides of what seems at this point to be a TvT shitfight.

random vote on me??
shade on menal + dats and try to be the rational mediator in the noraavBM fight

i thought he was vaguely +town for the mindmeld about noraa

I would agree that if noraa is scum then he’s just arrogant, but I think he’s posting in a fairly agenda-y way (the push on noraa but also trying to leave room to pivot in my direction, advancing support for the opposite-neighbours thing but wanting to flip me first and only then icon)

from my limited experience with / knowledge of BM, i thought he was arrogant regardless of alignment

i'm not sure i see (scummy) agenda in his posts about noraa? also uhh, i kinda didn't take his read on you as serious

pedit: sighhh
taylor, (1) obligatory why vote shelly, (2) why do you dislike that?

well its just strange that out of the four people who had been active to that point, one pair townread each other, another pair scumread each other and crossvoted, and then the first pair hopped on opposing sides of the wagons. was odd. by the time i posted, menal corrected it.

i still think thats probably TvT though

insisting on TvT for no reason? TMI??

rational mediators dont take sides. they stay in the middle, say its TvT, and encourage people to chill because their pushes are bad. oh wait thats what i was doing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

...you hadn't even posted by page 3?

i was being sarcastic. you were telling people that they should have sorted you as town by then. it was page 3, there wasnt much content, and most people hadnt posted. thanks for proving my point.

[Battle Mage]

also pointing out that one's capability to make coherent thoughts isn't town!indicative

have you not played in smuggler's?

dat shade on datisi wow: 'i don't know this player at all, but i'm SURE it produces content so it must be scum here'

i'm more wary about the fact that i *have* been producing content but

ico, why does the game benefit from noraa flip? what do we learn?

i vaguely remember KICKING YOUR ASS there yeah

because noraa right now is 1 of 2 things:

1) town who is incapable and apparently unwilling to try and establish a cooperation with others, completely tunneled in in a slot that (most? at least some) players are saying is town, and completely unsorting otherwise

2) scum

neither i wanna keep in the game, and i've called noraaaaa out to try and break the tunnel a bit, to give us something to work with

failing to do so… yeah. A good flip. On top of that there have been quite a few statements about the noraa v bm fight, so there *are* things to be learned upon a flip.

I agree 1000% with this.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ah, i'm taking a break from this one, you guys spam so much!

I'll be watching though!

BM, hot take

noraa counter tunneling and omgus'ing you isn't scum!indicative
noraa using the newbie card to get out of jail for free is NAI, because scum!noraa would probably be using that as much as town!noraa

I disagree, but the jury's out on everyone really - I'm not lock-scum on Noraa or anything mad. I think there's going to be high volume posting in this game, so I'm going to take more of a backseat and share my observations later.

In response to Datisi and Menalque calling me arrogant - not actually true, it's mostly just tongue-in-cheek really!

I'm aware my scumhunting record overall is pretty marginal at best, although on my day I can be very good, and am improving with age. I generally do my best work when i don't post so much, however that's also less fun! Also pressuring newbies in non-newbie games is just objectively the right thing to do.

this sequence is funny with BM saying hes gonna take a back seat/break and then immediately BM posted ~10 more times

[Battle Mage]

yes let me tell you how much you should have me as locktown on page 3

...you hadn't even posted by page 3?

i was being sarcastic. you were telling people that they should have sorted you as town by then. it was page 3, there wasnt much content, and most people hadnt posted. thanks for proving my point.

shouldn't you like, focus on back-up modding this game?

because you are THE WORST.