Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

E’s literally feeding off you guys.

[PlusJOYED]

broooooo chill. I'm still down to elim ali (my vote hasn't changed). I'm just thinking why they claim VT here

[April Ludgate]

Cuz they are the AtE God

[April Ludgate]

And that’s coming from me

[PlusJOYED]

if it's AtE it's not working since I'm just puzzled not sympathetic

[April Ludgate]

They claimed VT for the “why would they claim VT here” tactic.

[April Ludgate]

if it's AtE it's not working since I'm just puzzled not sympathetic

It worked elsewhere, though.

Alisae was L-1, now they’re L-3.

Morph is actively trying to find a way out of this situation without looking bad. It sucks because we’re at the point where Morph can’t care anymore if I scum read them, they have to play around it, so they’re very much playing in a way where they know I know they’re scum, and i can’t do anything about it.

That’s why I am where I am right now.

[April Ludgate]

If Alisae is a roleblocker or something of sorts, this all makes sense even more why they have to protect them.

If Alisae goes down, Scum can’t block me, and Morph knows they’re screwed.

[Bell]

if it's AtE it's not working since I'm just puzzled not sympathetic

.... ?
You’re puzzled, not sympathetic but others reactions aren’t within this line

[April Ludgate]

They can’t rely on killing me either, because I’m the sole PR claimed so protection is decently likely, especially if Alisae flips red.

[April Ludgate]

Like, yes, I am tunneled right now, but it’s page 133.

Alisae’s a good fade for the game, and worst case scenario we kill a VT. That’s worst case scenario. Then we get to look at all the juicy interactions.

[Bell]

Whether we’re tunneled or not depends decently on alisae flip.
I don’t feel tunneled. But I feel weird because usually I hesitate more.

[April Ludgate]

I feel weird because I’m going insane with a mix of putting forth what I feel is an incredibly solid case, then everyone’s response is “idk, seems town when he says “something smart shouldn’t have lowered me”

So while I’m still happy with the reads, my gamemind is tunneled, if that makes sense.

I’ve also been editing for days, so my mind’s going blank

[Bell]

No matter how good the case, if you’re a thinking person you’re going to go through your own vetting process.

[Bell]

And my case on alisae boils down to, their reads list was scummy on entry and ever since they’ve been accommodating people’s points of concern about why they’re scum. Which isn’t very great of a case. But my cases rarely are good or at least I don’t recall people agreeing with me whether I was right or wrong.

[midwaybear]

it’s page 133

big mood

[morph the cat]

Yes, the combination of behaviors shown is within alisae’s wheel house imo.
Multiple mentions of AtE in thread and how that expectation could change their approach is also within alisae’s skill set I think.

When I mentioned their wagon analysis they played it up into cheese territory.

Is this experiential meta with Alisae?

[midwaybear]

their reads list was scummy on entry and ever since they’ve been accommodating people’s points of concern about why they’re scum

what was scummy about it? I don't remember you giving reasons, but I could be wrong.
Also, the second point seems moot now.

[Bell]

I can’t totally comment. But for the most part no. I just read the alisae games linked and if you put each behavior on a table you can cross check to here. They’ve never displayed all the behaviors shown here in one game but they have displayed them separately in other games.

[midwaybear]

what does that have to do with the original readlist?

[Bell]

3318 was I. Response to morph. I mentioned my reasons in game in regards to reads list.

Why does the second part seem moot?

[midwaybear]

Seems to be some fight in eir at least from what I saw last night

[Bell]

I mean they’re reacting to why people think they’re scum by emphasizing the things that they would expect town alisae to do.

[zMuffinMan]

i dunno, plenty of people who are easily readable and sometimes not even all that good at scum have won don corleone

it's not like it's hard to get that scummie rofl

[midwaybear]

I mean they’re reacting to why people think they’re scum by emphasizing the things that they would expect town alisae to do.

This might be true