Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Krazy]

and the scumsman game -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I was trying to remember what even happened in that mess. I do think I successfully solved the datisi hydra for town in that game although I think that might have been more due to ausuka, still I think my readrate on datisi might be above rand at least.

[Tayl0r Swift]

TBH i don't want to fight lavender right now. i might be talked into this depending on what prism / chara want, but at the moment im not ready. call it gut feeling

if lavender or puppy flip chara

[Hectic]

My preference for people who aren't Krazy is:

Tanner > Lavender > Tayl0r
I townread both of Lav and Tayl0r, and my read on Tanner is iffy, so would go there if I had to.

Krazy's improving his slot a lot but I wonder if I should let him swindle me rather than stay focused on my read of his predecessors. That seems unfair to him though, should probably try and solve him honestly even if he's a harder solve.

[Hectic]

Also, I had this thought earlier in the day that Tanner was tryharding a little too much when the game was kinda stalled and Sujimichi was the only real wagon. People weren't really in it, but Tanner was still putting the effort in to reply and interact with many things. It's possible scum!Tanner felt the need to keep up content if he wants to have a chance to deepwolf this game. Admittedly though, this does go against what I know of scum!Datisi in recent times, who has a lot less WIM then town!Datisi.

[Hectic]

WAH WAH WAAAAAH

~

[Hectic]

I feel like I've written posts exactly like 938 as scum, particularly in Titus v. Alisae most recently, and seeing posts I feel like I would write as scum from Tanner bother me

Weren't you town in that? Was I so deep pocketed that I didn't even realise post game that you were scum??

[Hectic]

Also, I had this thought earlier in the day that Tanner was tryharding a little too much when the game was kinda stalled and Sujimichi was the only real wagon. People weren't really in it, but Tanner was still putting the effort in to reply and interact with many things. It's possible scum!Tanner felt the need to keep up content if he wants to have a chance to deepwolf this game. Admittedly though, this does go against what I know of scum!Datisi in recent times, who has a lot less WIM then town!Datisi.

To clarify on this: It felt like he was forcing himself to in a way.

I think Tanner makes a lot more sense as

Chara

then regular scum, since I don't think scum!Tanner's heart would be in it as much unless they knew the finish line was in sight, at least for their slot. Meanwhile, Krazy is confirmed not-ChArA unless he's pulling a conspiracy-brained move of making town!Lavender look even worse tomorrow when he flips as ChArA tonight.

Sigh, this feels wrong and bad, but I think it makes more sense to do this, considering Tanner is the far more likely ChArA than Krazy is:

HURT: Tanner

[Krazy]

Weren't you town in that? Was I so deep pocketed that I didn't even realise post game that you were scum??

I got it confused with Alisae vs. Pine, my bad

[Hectic]

Easy mistake to make, I often confuse Pine of being a Titus alt.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like I'd go all in for getting the Chara spared if I were scum because it would be absolutely glorious.

you know what we could do if you guys are all super convinced Tanner = good?

we could like totally spare him and give peace a chance.

re-reading tanner iso

this is gonna be a wild post if he actually flips chara

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm going to be entirely unable to read Tanner without bias for at least a few real life days due to how much i love his posting to Pooky right now.

hey, as long as the read is correct, doesn't matter if it's biased!

you know what we could do if you guys are all super convinced Tanner = good?

we could like totally spare him and give peace a chance.

i do not consent to this

I'm not really hiding my reads - I just find it unlikely there are useful reads in the first place when there is no stakes in the interactions

you could make it so that there *are* stakes... which is what genocide does.

also why would you willingly make the game more difficult and (more importantly) more frustrating?

pedit: hi taylor
love to see alignment talk
do you have any more hot takes

Does Tanner-Chara really refuse to be spared?

Re-reading his D1 ISO and I don't see scum here - though he is very different from the last time I played with Datisi!Town in that game that shall not be mentioned >.> <.<

[Krazy]

Hmm, maybe he's the cop? :3

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hmm, maybe he's the cop? :3

wrong, im the cop

[Tanner]

okay. part of me is saying to send this game to hell and let myself get flipped because even if i don't die today, i'm probably (barring us hitting scum again or someone clearly not s/s with me flipping chara) dying tomorrow. then i realize i'm being dramatic. anyway.

krazy, how interested are you in me writing rebuttals to you? i can go point-by-point through 2219 if you (or anyone else, really) think it'd help you sort me. but that's effort that i simply don't have the willpower for if it will just get glanced over and tossed aside, which my pessimism is telling me it will.

HURT: taylor

maybe i'm omgusing. i don't care. i utterly hate 2217 & 2221. i "looked up a couple of your games" without saying which ones those were. "oh i'm not doing associates" feels like the scum-lazy answer to justify voting either me or lavender. "oh isn't not liking a game scum!indicative" also just feels like made-up BS honestly.

the sequence of posts from hectic almost makes me think he's scum who fucked up. kinda like

"tanner is being too tryhardy, therefore he's scum!!"

wait shit no that's town!indicative for him

"err he's chara!!"

almost. would be funny if that's the case.

@pooky, chara!me absolutely makes those posts. if my strategy is to go all-in on genocide (which it probably wouldn't be, but i'm not scum so kinda hard to tell), i would've refused a spare. and 502 would be one of those posts i make as scum then copy-paste it into the scum pt and laugh about it. i also make them as town though, so. y'know.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you don't sound nearly as nervous as towntisi tho

[Krazy]

You don't need to rebut every point tannychan, if you are town you simply must let the town ooze forth from your very being :3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes

channel the towntisi and let your inner light shine!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've read your notes PT for M960 at least 5 times so I know your townsoul.

[Tanner]

some games the townspewing machine is simply broke and i get executed and then people go "wait how did that flip town??"

krazy i'm gonna assume you're not making fun of me in 2240 because it's seriously killing my morale if you are

[Tanner]

ok i've been staring at the empty textbox for like 10 minutes now.

i'm interested in solving. i know it sounds dumb just saying that. but i'm also trying to be ~realistic~. i know if, say scum is prism or tweet, we're very very unlikely to actually get them executed today. therefore it's not something i'm going to spend a lot of effort on because i can tell it is never happening.

this is frustrating because i feel like you're bashing my "lynchbait" reads for being lynchbait (everyone other than puppy) but earlier you were bashing my puppy read for "pushing on obvtown isn't towny". i'm reading the arguments for town!you. they are why i haven't given up and voted suji before. i don't want to flip you right now. hell you were never closer than my top 3rd choice today.

your take about "resistance"-based arguments is subjective. coupled with the screwing-NKA point is like... feels like "tanner is scum therefore this is what he is trying to do with these posts." like scum screws with NKA. sure. and town attempts NKA. there literally is no possible response to this other than "ok but i'm town tho" which nobody is impressed by and sigh.

again, your point about 1644. "feels like scum panicking at townies finding each other." or it was town not understanding your progression on hectic. either one.

"have confidence people will find town in me" is laughable considering i'm universally in the upper half in the PoE and next in the firing line if we miss today/maybe tomorrow. people obviously *aren't* finding the town in me. i'm going to argue about it.

it seems like you're tunneled on me, but maybe i'm used to being townread as town.

it's just... i'm annoyed because i feel like i just spent 30 on a post that can literally be summarized as "no u". because that's what it feels like. you're making arguments saying why things that i did come from scum and i don't know if i have a response better than "they don't". and like, i really wanna just write this off as "lol scum pushing on me" but i don't think i can say that in good faith.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this does not sound like towntisi at all -_-

can you change your avatar or something so I can TR you

[Tanner]

sigh.

should i point out how one game of meta is a recepie for disaster with me or will that also get spun as "scum annoyed they're being correctly metaread"?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Who do you wanna eliminate today then?

[Tanner]

at the moment, it's taylor.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gimme the three line elevator pitch