Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[midwaybear]

uh...

this sounds like G8

[zMuffinMan]

sometimes i read plusjoyed posts and imagine it comes from like an AI who's at like gen 50 of a neural network learning process that's being fed mafia posts

Sorta, I think he’ll become readable though

SvS reads like a theater if the death tunnel in the policy vote

ive read this post multiple times and can only conclude that one of us is very, very confused and i think it may be me but im not sure

[morph the cat]

I can’t totally comment. But for the most part no. I just read the alisae games linked and if you put each behavior on a table you can cross check to here. They’ve never displayed all the behaviors shown here in one game but they have displayed them separately in other games.

In the games you read, did Alisae display (real or not) the kind of anger that veers close to or into personal attack territory?

[morph the cat]

i dunno, plenty of people who are easily readable and sometimes not even all that good at scum have won don corleone

it's not like it's hard to get that scummie rofl

[Bell]

Yes.

[Alisae]

i dunno, plenty of people who are easily readable and sometimes not even all that good at scum have won don corleone

it's not like it's hard to get that scummie rofl

Its a true comment in regards to the Don Corleone scummy. Now its a bit harder because when I won it, it was a single game award but now its a body of work award.

[Alisae]

Bee has been inactive across the entire site btw

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, cupcake is a previous winner (let that sink in) and i think he's very easily readable. at least, ever since getting to how he plays, I can only recall one time i misread him (when he was town under some weird circumstances). just saying, "don corleone" doesn't make everything someone does potentially some super amazing master scum strategy

i dont really think alisae plays in this way as scum

i could be wrong, but like, "VT to bait people who would say it's not a scum claim" is just silly unless alisae was aiming at certain people who think like that and i don't think that's the case here... equally likely when you don't know how people will react is "it's just a VT at worst, better than having more people claim"

plus the idea that a scum PR claims VT D1 is less likely IMO. scum PRs usually feel pretty safe claiming some variant of their role, if not their role. pretty sure alisae is just a goon if scum

[Alisae]

ok so what happened to 420 blaze it and why has he still done nothing and why is he not getting any pressure?

[morph the cat]

Yes.

Thanks.

Alisae's play up until last night felt emotionally flat to a large degree. having an angry reaction at e-1 can happen with any alignment. It's more a personality tell than an alignment tell. I read it as town mostly because it rang so true to me. Which might be in part because I'm dealing with a lot of anger about this game at times.

Anyway, I'm trying to put the outburst into a more objective context and think about whether the emotionally flat play punctuated the way it was last night is likely to be from scum.

@Alisae that was a joke. I seconded (thirded?) zmuffin's Don Corleone nom in 2013 and threw another game into the info the nominator posted. I gave Bell the links to both games when we talked about zmuffin meta.

Muffin won a second Corleone either the next year or one year later. And yeah, the bar was lower then, before the scummie criteria were revised.

[Alisae]

in 2017, this is a detail I often forget, I tied with MoI for Don Corleone

[Secret Tunnel]

ok so what happened to 420 blaze it and why has he still done nothing and why is he not getting any pressure?

I thought you were suspicious of anyone going after LHF?

-innocentvillager

[Secret Tunnel]

Alisae probtown, at the very least the wagon is bad.

-innocentvillager

At the very least, wagon is bad.

Okay, this is the third scum we’ve been looking for. I guess I was right way back when I said ST scum with Alisae.

It cannot be at the very least, wagon is bad if Alisae is scum.

It just can’t be.

Nah the wagon can be bad even if Alisae is scum.

-innocentvillager

[Alisae]

ok so what happened to 420 blaze it and why has he still done nothing and why is he not getting any pressure?

I thought you were suspicious of anyone going after LHF?

-innocentvillager

How does that relate to my question?

[Secret Tunnel]

Idk, it seems to me you’ve been sussed by people going after LHF (you and Maria), and now you’re wondering why people aren’t going after 420, another LHF spot. So I’d like you to clarify where your head’s at on that a little.

-innocentvillager

[Alisae]

Idk, it seems to me you’ve been sussed by people going after LHF (you and Maria), and now you’re wondering why people aren’t going after 420, another LHF spot. So I’d like you to clarify where your head’s at on that a little.

-innocentvillager

I mean I can post reads sure, but I find it weird that me and maid cafe have been most of the talk in the town and 420 isn't. Like that reads weird to me.

[zMuffinMan]

pretty sure 420 had a pretty substantial wagon going on him before you did

[zMuffinMan]

on the other hand, mariar has barely been the focus other than acknowledging that she could be scum

[morph the cat]

Don't let your dreams be dreams, Muffin.

[Secret Tunnel]

Alisae probtown, at the very least the wagon is bad.

-innocentvillager

At the very least, wagon is bad.

Okay, this is the third scum we’ve been looking for. I guess I was right way back when I said ST scum with Alisae.

It cannot be at the very least, wagon is bad if Alisae is scum.

It just can’t be.

Also I don’t even know how you jumped to this conclusion that we’re scum suddenly? How can you even interpret my post as scummy, I don’t understand, just because you disagree with the semantics?

-innocentvillager

[morph the cat]

VOTE: maid cafe

cue explosion of April's AH HA! I CALLED IT

[morph the cat]

VOTE: maid cafe

cue explosion of April's AH HA! I CALLED IT

THE NARRATIVE CALLS

[The Bulge]

ScumMorph could also be trying to get TownAlisae faded here even with their actions, if that makes sense. I also think they're setting to kill me in the night based on the way they've been talking about my slot. "Revisit late. revist. revisit."

when I die, dont let them get town credit because they were "planning to revisit"

posts like these make me wonder if any of april's posts are genuine or just assortments of hypothetical statements

[morph the cat]

ScumMorph could also be trying to get TownAlisae faded here even with their actions, if that makes sense. I also think they're setting to kill me in the night based on the way they've been talking about my slot. "Revisit late. revist. revisit."

when I die, dont let them get town credit because they were "planning to revisit"

posts like these make me wonder if any of april's posts are genuine or just assortments of hypothetical statements

April is actually a quantum computing device. By holding every position at some point, they collapse reality into one where they were always right post game.

[Alisae]

{Bell, Midway, Remilia, Muffin}
{Tunnels, SS, morph}
{Bulge}
{PlusJOYED, morph, Maid Cafe, 420 Blaze It}
{April}

Some changes, Bulge isn't really null anymore, I saw something that made me feel like he was town earlier but I don't remember what it is.
SS feels townier with his posts but he becomes a lot more readable late game.
morph is a slot I can't get myself to believe in a scumread in. Them driving the consensus to LHF is weird but thats the only thing I have and I feel like in general they are more likely to be town then not.

Maid Cafe's vote on me is really weird. If this slot was town, I don't see how they use this opportunity to explain their read. Also I'm not reading how they feel like the gamestate is stalled at all. Keep in mind I still think Maria's original read on me is fine.
Also btw Maria mentioned that Beebuddy is mostly a soundboard for Maria. I just noticed Maria say that upon re-reading that ISO because I wanted to know if they genuinely scumread me.
I can see Maria voting me "for information" as town but I want to see what they do now.
Honestly now that I'm writing about it, they can be higher then I'm putting them but let's see what they do after.