Mini Normal 2163: MItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

Vote count 4.01

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2020-10-08 23:50:00).

execution

shellyc [2]:

PlusJOYED, osuka

osuka [1]:

Andresvmb

Not Voting [4]:

Menalque, NDMath, shellyc, Ydrasse

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[NDMath]

Arguments for why it doesn't make sense for me to be scum with each of osuka and plus coming when I decide to not be lazy.

[osuka]

ill elaborate more on what my reads are and why they are the way they are tomorrow

but i just wanted to share with everyone that i just tried zest's 3 stargate mass void ray into chargelot storm build and i'm absolutely in love

unfortunately i fucked up the transition to carriers and died because i took a bad engagement and didnt have enough storms :(

[shellyc]

shelly is pretty good at scum and from what I know of their towngame they like to tunnel more. Also in this game they've been wagon hopping like crazy

wagon hopping is NAI for me

tunnelling is kinda scum indicative, remember when I death tunnelled you in doggos as scum!shelly

[shellyc]

probably within ndmath or ydrasse

do you think that Huge Interaction with ydrassse was scum theatre? like I don’t really think you can classify two people’s attempts to solve each other from a convo is scum theatre really

as to math, why would I bring pressure onto them at EOD3 if they were my partner tho (I can quote later but on mobile rn)

[PlusJOYED]

probably within ndmath or ydrasse

do you think that Huge Interaction with ydrassse was scum theatre? like I don’t really think you can classify two people’s attempts to solve each other from a convo is scum theatre really

as to math, why would I bring pressure onto them at EOD3 if they were my partner tho (I can quote later but on mobile rn)

i could believe it yes

[shellyc]

plus whats your read on osuka
why do you refuse to scumread them

[PlusJOYED]

for math, putting pressure on your partner so you aren't null on each other and it coupd make sense for town!shelly to do so you could use that as a defense. You didn't really need to worry end of day 3 since freaking bob is running around with a "hang me im scum" sign on his back; it probably wouldn't pick up so pressuring ndmath is safe

[PlusJOYED]

my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

[PlusJOYED]

im headed to bed gn

[shellyc]

my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

this is so weird because fwiw I don't think being "wack" is a protown act

[osuka]

my osuka read is that that's just his playstyle and he's kinda wack at times

this is so weird because fwiw I don't think being "wack" is a protown act

elaborate

[PlusJOYED]

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

[Ydrasse]

hello

@plus, how do you think that interact between me and shelly is theatre. also, in that instance what is the Gameplan/wincon of shelly/ydrasse/kerset

[Ydrasse]

i’m at work atm with a shot mood so don’t expect much from me until later other than that

[shellyc]

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

[Andresvmb]

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

What leads you to this conclusion? As in what specific posts make you think that plus is pocketed and not just Scum? And why NDMath?

I’ll be honest, I think we need to first get a flip of Osuka before we speculate any further. Once that is achieved, and if Osuka flips Scum, I will start worrying about who is more or less Scummy. But until that happens, I think we’ll be mostly wasting our time. I’ll say this - I don’t buy anything that plus is saying right now. None of it. Are they seriously claiming they can’t be partnered with Osuka because it would be too blatant? Please.

[NDMath]

Starting with plusjoyed since that's simpler.
In a plus/ND/kerset world,
We know there is a scum rolestopper and because of my claim either
A. I am ascetic
B. Plusjoy is gonna rolestop me each night.
Either way the plan would be for me to submit the kill each night. (Since I can't be track'd jailkept etc.)
Making it preferable for me to not die early.

Posts quoted are plusjoy's reads on me with a couple reads of kerset.

Spoiler: Early Day 1

Who loves readlists? I do!

kerset: Shitposter, which is NAI. My gut says they are town though but not a lot to go on; I feel like scum would be more self aware and worried about being SR'd from shitposting, and the mason thing might be a unique way of rvs 3 other players to see reactions. TR.

Ydrasse: Mild scumtell mainly from gut but it's getting weaker as time passes, would vote over other TR but mostly null at this point. Their posts seem NAI though #49 was pretty townie. Null atm.

Andres: null, only posted once

Saudade: feels kinda scummy, especially his entrance and making an excuse to lurk like IV said, but it could just be his personality. His kerset attack seems really random and feels mildly scummy overall. SR.

Shellyc: Feels like her scumgame but it could also be recentcy bias so idk. I'd like to look a townie game from here actually, since they have q knack for appearing townie as scum naturally. Leaning null for now.

bob: Town read actually. His opener is pretty wack and that logic seems strange but I think he believes it. going against the grain and taking a risk/getting discussion going is townie as heck. TR

teacher: kinda ignored their early wagon which is a lil weird. I'm glad he's calling out IV but honestly NAI at this point. The
vote at #90 seems so late and doesn't make sense. null for now

Menal: Why are they handing out TR/pockets so much? Seem self aware too. But I don't think a scum menal would throw pockets that much and be open about it, so I TR them.

IV: total scumbucket. I'll do a full casing later. I'm aware this tunnel without explanation is sus from me but idc. I want him to lower his guard first and hit him with a big list later on. SR

Taylor swift; agreeable lurker. Minor SR but need more to go off of. They've seem to have gone largely unnoticed so I'd like someone to pressure them at some point. SR overall

NDMath: null, only posted once

osuka: also going against IV without much explanation, most of his posts are about IV and I don't think he's trying to pocket me either since we expressed a SR on IV around the same time. Null for now

current SR is IV > Taylor > saudade

I don't see how you see NDMath as scummy but not Kerst, they both made joke claims

Why do you think Kersts claim was a joke and NDmath's claim was serious
I think they're both rvs joke claims

Yes those are one and the same

Well I've never played a game with an aesthic claim in it but the wiki says they like to claim off the bat like millers. I still don't take the claim seriously but I will if NDMath doubles down on said claim.

Forgot about this. Lol comparing their supposed scumbuddies claims.
Doesn't commit a read on me which doesn't mean much because of how little I posted.

Spoiler: Mid to Late Day 1

hmm... aesthic and miller in a 13 man seems really unlikely.

the miller claim and the aesthic claim change things. I think one of them is fake/evil most likely

Why would there be 2 passive town roles that impact invest results in a mini normal? I don't see why they'd do that from a meta perspective.

I agree that andre is town too

Me:
bob (townie god) > shelly > ydrasse > andres > mena > suadade > kerset > teacher > osuka > IV (leaning more townie) >  NDMath > taylor (scum extraordinaire)

bob townie god
iv town
shelly town
Ydrasse town
Andres town
pretty confident on the above TR
mena town (slightly less sure than others)
kerset null townlean
saude null scumlean
osuka null scumlean
ndmath scummy
taylor scummy
teacher scummy after seeing their iso

you've been doing this since lime the first day my guy
ndmath is also probs town
scumteam is teacher/iv/that other fuck

im thinking math actually he's my scummiest read

boom guys i got it it's iv/teacher/ndmath
ndmath is probs maf ascetic

man everything actually falls really into place with iv/teacher/math
i'll make an in depth casing later

im telling ya
the solve is iv/teacher/math
saude is next in line if one of those 3 flip town

kerset flips green

facts im disappointed in shelly

rn i think it's
scum pile: iv, ndmath, teacher
maybe scum: saudade
tr everyone else pretty solidly at this point

rn i think it's
scum pile: iv, ndmath, teacher
maybe scum: saudade
tr everyone else pretty solidly at this point

same as last time but im null on bob now given his more recent stuff.

Puts me into scumpile while townleaning the goon.
Granted I was not really ever in consideration for elim day one.
Biased opinion is that these posts indicate they would have hopped on a wagon on me if there had been support from 1-2 other people, which is counter to the pregame goal/plan that would have been set. In mini theme 2145 which I linked earlier I depended heavily on my teammate Dunn to help me survive, I think this gamestate is similar.

Spoiler: Day 2

solve is iv /shelly /ndmath atm

Vote count 1.final

with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.

execution

innocentvillager [7]:

Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager, teacher, NDMath, Ydrasse

[HAMMER]

teacher [2]:

Kerset, bob3141

PlusJOYED [2]:

Andresvmb, Menalque

Kerset [2]:

Saudade, shellyc

Not Voting [0]:

flip

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I still can't believe IV flipped town, what the hell IV?
Anyway, him being town and sau flip does impact my reads quite a bit.
Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.
Mena is definitely town imo, scum wouldn't go that hard to save a townie. Super strong obvtown
If osuka is still after mena I think he's probably scumbinned at this point, town wouldn't do that
Shelly is still town
Ndmath is still super scummy
Bob scumlean I think
Teacher i needs to read iso
Andres obvtown
ydrasse seems towny overall, I think the hammer may have been exhaustion

NDMath is Town. Let’s stop wasting time.

how
they've done nothing towny this game

i never doubted ndmath was ascetic, I think they are mafia ascetic

VOTE: ndmath

But kerset isn't getting my vote today

cool saudade is dead and now i get instant L-2
You don't know how to make insightful NKA. We are talking here about saud, he is careless gamethrower. His existence was harmful to town and viging him would be worth it regardless of his alignment, so healing him was out of question. This guy misleads town to lynch his target regardless of circumstances to satisfy his ego. Hardclaimming bullshits is just one of throws typical for his behavior, he thinks that saying nonsense as town is 200IQ play, because thanks to his reputation he can get away with anything, once he rolls scum.
The most important information we got is scum lack of knowledge. Scum didn't know about his nature and took him seriously, which points at people with 2020 join date. Especially shelly, which periodically appears as more naive then she normally should be.

???
Well shit, I don't see how this post could come from anywhere but scum even with my confbias. Guess I was wrong on you kerset
UNVOTE:
VOTE: kerset

I'm actually at a loss for who the other scum could be if teacher and ndmath are town, besides kerset. I guess osuka? Maybe Ydrasse?
peddit: no but they could surely deduce that town has at least one investigative pr so they use a sketchy player to claim ascetic and waste town pr actions.

Does try to push me, immediately overshadowed by kerset's post.
Day 2 was short.

Spoiler: Day 3

im at

hard town: andres, mena

probably town:taylor, shelly, bob

scummy: ydrasse, ndmath

hard scum read: osuka

can you talk me through your scum reads here? also through your read on bob?

yeah
osuka is scum not for his iv read, but because he continued to SR mena after IV flipped. Also the vote back off of kerset was sus as well
Ydrasse I liked day 1 but the hammer was sus af and I feel like they are the deepwolf here. They claimed to be bad at mafia scum roles but i've fallen for that before. And since near end of day 1 I haven't liked their posts

ndmath was always in my scum pile. I still think he's possibly mafia ascetic and inactive. but i'd prefer osuka and ydrasse elims first

*Not quoted but I go just outside of possible scum teams for a while.*

joyed instead of seeing scum!anybody can you give me a lynch order so we have have some Fun Discussion and I can release my theory on the alignments of plus and ydrasse

here's mine: (least to most)
Shelly
Andres
Menalque
Ydrasse
Math
Bob
Joyed
Osuka

mine is probably
andres
mena
joyed
Shelly
ydrasse
osuka
math
bob

I'll elim bob, shelly, or possibly math today

This day makes it look more possible since that's probably roughly what would happen in a plus/me/kerset world.
However not in that world, I'm an achievable miselim and still will be later, whereas bob or ydrasse probably get harder as the game goes with possibly another investigative or ydrasse becoming too much consensus town.


Am now realizing it's probably more effective to point out the plus/osuka/kerset interaction rather than try to argue that I can't be scum with each of them but I already gathered quotes for this.

[PlusJOYED]

One thing I thought of that makes me think ndmath is just inactive town is that the wagons have been moving around like crazy; for this to happen so much day 1 and 3 especially, I think there is some subtle string pulling going on here that NDMath hasn't been apart of.

I think my solve is Shelly/ydrasse

[shellyc]

another thing to note is that me and osuka have been on the same page unabashedly most of the time, so much so that I don't think a plus/osuka team makes sense. I might be deep pocketed by Osuka but I think that's unlikely; it doesn't make sense for Osuka to play so risky as scum imo.

there’s the words too scummy to be scum

fwiw I think joyed is pocketed town really and the solve is osuka math?

What leads you to this conclusion? As in what specific posts make you think that plus is pocketed and not just Scum? And why NDMath?

I’ll be honest, I think we need to first get a flip of Osuka before we speculate any further. Once that is achieved, and if Osuka flips Scum, I will start worrying about who is more or less Scummy. But until that happens, I think we’ll be mostly wasting our time. I’ll say this - I don’t buy anything that plus is saying right now. None of it. Are they seriously claiming they can’t be partnered with Osuka because it would be too blatant? Please.

like I kinda think plus being uber wrong on everything is town indicative and trying to boldly push the (wrong) world of me + ydrasse is kinda townie?
their defense is bleh but joyed is LHF as town anyways
I don’t wanna 5D chess myself so much and will review joyed ISO again

im considering plus/osuka, math is kinda just lurking + passive and I don’t really see attempts to solve in their ISO

[shellyc]

I think there is some subtle string pulling going on here that NDMath hasn't been apart of.

I think my solve is Shelly/ydrasse

can you explain WHY you think it’s scum theatre?
do you think I TR ydrasse (supposed partner) and put them as my top town at start of game and not once doubt them

its kinda hard to justify this and it’s horrifically bad I think the paranoia comes from town
I want to get rid of osuka no matter what, and then consider the enigma that is plusjoy

[shellyc]

elaborate

because “wackiness” is just a matter of personality and isn’t alignment indicative at all which is illogical for plus to TR you based off being “wack”

basically the play style part is just super wifomy
sometimes scum are just scum

[shellyc]

I feel like menal has lowkey disappointed after getting UTR
Andres is trying to solve while menal is just swimming about

idk hot take I even feel ydrasse is townie than menal

[shellyc]

shelly + andres

osuka it’s so good you’re trying but neither me or Andres are happening

[shellyc]

osuka is just nonsensically trying to last-ditch avoid a miselim
what is possible town motivation to spit out nonsense reads
Andres is a claimed checker