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Post Post #1050 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:24 am

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In post 1045, Menalque wrote:I still think pretty strongly that shelly is scum and think it is important that we start coalescing around a flip there
you say the wagon is moving slowly, when much of the plist are scum reading me for apparently reasons that im swimming with the tide when ANYONE THAT PAYS ATTENTION TO MY META AT ALL can realise that this is my towngame
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Post Post #1051 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:25 am

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In post 1045, Menalque wrote:I still think pretty strongly that shelly is scum
do you see a world in which I am town
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Post Post #1052 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:26 am

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In post 1049, Menalque wrote:have you been asking people to vote shelly or just pressuring her on what she's been doing/saying?
i haven't asked anyone to vote there, it's a bit too early in the day imo (with not everyone even giving concrete reads) plus i still wanna reread isos
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Post Post #1053 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:26 am

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In post 1048, shellyc wrote:1me changing reads to fit the situation is my general town play really
as town I have much lower confidence in myself

2also, to the points that made me reconsider, things like the reaction to ico outing the fake was kinda artificial? the push on me for essentially swimming with the tide isn’t exactly town pinging either
(1) okay but this means literally nothing? also you don't have enough town games for this to be verifiable even on a meta level

(2) okay but this wasn't just about me and your read on me, the main bit was also about the change in your read from TvS in bm/noraa to TvT, something you ought to know if you'd checked the context of the question
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Post Post #1054 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:27 am

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In post 1050, shellyc wrote:
In post 1045, Menalque wrote:I still think pretty strongly that shelly is scum and think it is important that we start coalescing around a flip there
you say the wagon is moving slowly, when much of the plist are scum reading me for apparently reasons that im swimming with the tide when ANYONE THAT PAYS ATTENTION TO MY META AT ALL can realise that this is my towngame
have you finished another town game since your last one?
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Post Post #1055 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:27 am

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In post 1037, TheGoldenParadox wrote:basically all of shelly's posts on page 38 scumping me hard. i have absolutely no idea what she's trying to accomplish here but it seems a lot like she's spinning in circles and not going anywhere. the entire taylor push is weird, 943 is unhelpful and unproductive, and just generally shelly is pinging me as scum who wants to create a townbloc and sell herself as town, either by pocketing actual town or working with other scum to wifom us. i'm happy with my vote on shelly, and i think shelly is a good d1 lynch here because they have quite a few interactions with almost everyone here.
wifom. does. not. fucking. exist

can you elaborate on spinning in circles, where do you expect me to go
why do you think Taylor push is weird

do you think creating town blocks are AI?

you’re filling up spaces with words to try and miselim me

sure flip me for info but remember scum are probably on-wagon now as im pretty miselimable as town
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Post Post #1056 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:28 am

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like yelling "THIS IS MY TOWNGAME" does exactly nothing to convince me this is your towngame

like what, you want me to believe that scum!you isn't capable of yelling that?

and to the second point: yes, of course I can see a world in which you're town, I just don't see that as likely. I can see a world in which anyone is town or scum at this point apart from myself
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Post Post #1057 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:28 am

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In post 1055, shellyc wrote:do you think creating town blocks are AI?
not to steal from TGP the chance to respond but: yes. trying to create townblocs is scum indicative
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Post Post #1058 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:29 am

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In post 1048, shellyc wrote:
In post 1039, Menalque wrote:second request that you respond to this @shelly
me changing reads to fit the situation
is my general town play really
as town I have much lower confidence in myself

also, to the points that made me reconsider, things like the reaction to ico outing the fake was kinda artificial? the push on me for essentially swimming with the tide isn’t exactly town pinging either

shelly can you explain the bold. Are you saying you changed your reads to suit your situation. As that doesnt sound like towny thing to do.
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Post Post #1059 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:30 am

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In post 1052, Datisi wrote:it's a bit too early in the day imo (with not everyone even giving concrete reads) plus i still wanna reread isos
yeah okay, fair. I would like everyone to give reads before we end day but I'm pretty happy with at least getting shelly up to L-1 and getting a claim or not
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Post Post #1060 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:30 am

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bob are you already voting shelly?
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Post Post #1061 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:32 am

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mena give me motivation for this game pls

do you want triangle
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Post Post #1062 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:32 am

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In post 1053, Menalque wrote:(1) okay but this means literally nothing? also you don't have enough town games for this to be verifiable even on a meta level

(2) okay but this wasn't just about me and your read on me, the main bit was also about the change in your read from TvS in bm/noraa to TvT, something you ought to know if you'd checked the context of the question
Just take my word

I literally spent time thinking about it and its not my obligation to throw out all my thought processes
bmvNoraa might be TvT because noraa is a very inexperienced player and noraa might be caught in a tunnel I want to entertain counterfactuals and you’re currently scum reading me for it

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pedit: ok fine get me to E-1, idm my flip really if you think info flip benefits the overall game state
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Post Post #1063 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:32 am

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In post 1058, bob3141 wrote:shelly can you explain the bold. Are you saying you changed your reads to suit your situation. As that doesnt sound like towny thing to do.
not my situation
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Post Post #1064 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:33 am

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In post 1052, Datisi wrote:i haven't asked anyone to vote there, it's a bit too early in the day imo (with not everyone even giving concrete reads) plus i still wanna reread isos
listen if I get to flip today
this may be scum trying to encourage a town lim but not actually doing it
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Post Post #1065 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:34 am

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In post 1064, shellyc wrote:
In post 1052, Datisi wrote:i haven't asked anyone to vote there, it's a bit too early in the day imo (with not everyone even giving concrete reads) plus i still wanna reread isos
listen if I get to flip today
this may be scum trying to encourage a town lim but not actually doing it
I've been voting you for like 2 days now tf you on about
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Post Post #1066 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:35 am

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In post 1060, Menalque wrote:bob are you already voting shelly?
going to take quick reread through taylor and shelly after i finish bing watching season 2 of ghosts on iplayer. But im heavily leaning shelly. Especially after shelly admitted to changing her reads to situation and not because she changed her mind . While trying to pass it off as a sign she town. When such an action is very scum indicative.


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Post Post #1067 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:36 am

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“haven’t asked anyone to vote there”
which is more like scum posturing around my green flip

since you could say hey I didn’t want that to be the vote, I didn’t want to ask others to wagon on
spitballing my ideas
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Post Post #1068 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:37 am

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you’re unfortunately wrong
and I suck at obvtowning, I don’t blame you
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Post Post #1069 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:38 am

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When I said the word “situation” I meant the overall gamestate
which could mean whatever others have posted / interactions
of course I would change my mind based off that
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Post Post #1070 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:38 am

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In post 1067, shellyc wrote:since you could say hey I didn’t want that to be the vote, I didn’t want to ask others to wagon on
if you ever hear me say "but i didn't want that to be the vote!!" on a wagon i jumped so early on and kept at, just poweryeet me lmao
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Post Post #1071 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:39 am

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In post 1061, Datisi wrote:mena give me motivation for this game pls

do you want triangle
Y E S
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Post Post #1072 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:40 am

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I mean like this
I didn’t want the wagon to go so fast or something

pedit what’s a town triangle
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Post Post #1073 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:40 am

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In post 1063, shellyc wrote:
In post 1058, bob3141 wrote:shelly can you explain the bold. Are you saying you changed your reads to suit your situation. As that doesnt sound like towny thing to do.
not my situation
the overall game state

See that's not much difference. That is very much something scum does.

A townie might change their mind but not because of gamestate. Now the gamestate might trigger them to reevaluate. But that change isn't to suit the situation. It is just a change and often does not suit the situation. At all.
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Post Post #1074 (ISO) » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:41 am

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situation = game-state
game-state changing = re-evaluation
why is re-evaluation scummy though
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