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[PlusJOYED]

I don't particularly wanna go after taylor or duppin today tho

[Odd Day Jester]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift
Ok.

Now to start scumreading you five minutes later, oh wait that's Plusjoyed.

[PlusJOYED]

joyed you’re not the centre of the universe. I read the norway/joyed intersection as TvS or SvS-ish probably due to the absence of actual SOLVING and instead you two just go “NO U!” at each other

Norway is probably town and jackjoyed is probably scum there

how very shellyesque to go for LHF

[PlusJOYED]

Norway I'm trying to account for my possible confbias/emotion against you but you aren't helping your case

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway I'm trying to account for my possible confbias/emotion against you but you aren't helping your case

I've seen literally nothing from you that suggested you were reconsidering anything.

[PlusJOYED]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

if i swap to taylor, can you try to sort of gladiate me and Norway day 2 clown?

[Mundivore]

Mundivore, what does OOC mean
I feel like your case is legit, but can you actually 1) quote things and 2) elaborate why people cant have a “finding good eliminations” + “don’t get eliminated myself” mindset. it’s possible imo

OOC = Out Of Character. It's not what I expected you to do.

1) That's what the scumcase is for. I'm going through his ISO to build it. Expect a very large post and then either more or less confidence from me on my read depending on how that turns out by... eh, I dunno. Before the end of today, I hope. I've got a separate tab open, and I'm working on it there.

2) It's certainly possible. But in practice, every time I've seen someone who prioritizes finding good elims, they tend to rely on the activity of their own scumhunting to provide their townie cover, rather than try to retroactively maintain their own towniness. They think their scumhunting will speak for itself, because it's in good faith and hence self-exonerating. The main reason to defend yourself while actively scumhunting is if you don't think it'll be a valid tool to defend yourself with later. Which belies either very low confidence in the quality of their scumhunting (which is normally associated with a player who seeks primarily to avoid miselims—people with low confidence in their scumhunting also usually don't do too much of it) or alternatively reveals that the scumhunting is done in bad faith. I.E., that they're scum.

I think that if there's a problem with my case, it's that I'm over-reading duppin's defensiveness. Hence, my ISO-dive to verify my suspicions, and conglomerate some evidence.

[Odd Day Jester]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

if i swap to taylor, can you try to sort of gladiate me and Norway day 2 clown?

I can promise to put in more effort in sorting and ISOing you two, sure.

[Odd Day Jester]

MORE BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Duppin, get your vote off an afkslot and onto someone who deserves your confidence.

[Odd Day Jester]

Mundivore, I can't remember if you're a meta-activist or hater; have you metaed duppin to see whether his apologetic/defensive tone is just a NAI personality thing?

[Mundivore]

I think it's most interesting if I only use the meta of people who I personally have played with. I know that it's suboptimal play, but reading extra games sounds rancid. Besides, doing it this way gives me an incentive to play more games and get to know people.

[PlusJOYED]

im all in for it
been scumrading the slot to hell and back

PLUS YOU’RE JACKSON, im not a fan of the lamist

Tayl0r launch, people?

If it get's us out of this dreadful day then i'm all in.

Vote her then, we can ring her up to L-1 and get a claim today if we're efficient about it.

if i swap to taylor, can you try to sort of gladiate me and Norway day 2 clown?

I can promise to put in more effort in sorting and ISOing you two, sure.

aight. I still want Norway dead but I don't think it"ll happen today
UNVOTE: norway
VOTE: tayl0r

[PlusJOYED]

I think it's most interesting if I only use the meta of people who I personally have played with. I know that it's suboptimal play, but reading extra games sounds rancid. Besides, doing it this way gives me an incentive to play more games and get to know people.

i do the same!

[Odd Day Jester]

Playing mafia for fun? You all make me sick.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

Norwee and Jester have been pretty against this redados wagon. I think they are both coming from a town perspective tho so I'm not too sure redados flipping red means they r scum

elaborate

why do you think Norway and jester are coming from a town perspective when they oppose your prefered wagon

This logic is trash. Ur telling me as long as they oppose my wagon, they r scum. wtf shelly.

how are people letting duppin get away with not explaining reads at all? everyone who posts about duppin seems to agree that the posts are bad, but theres no momentum towards the wagon, and immediately a shitty counterwagon forms on me.

duppin is 90% scum here.

can you actually *case* duppin for once
can you explain instead of saying that “they have no reads” which isn’t strictly AI

Ouch. ngl its kinda true tho

nuuuuu uno im coming back
VOTE: Redados

noraa stop being manipulated so easily if you’re town or we’ll have to policy you

also, a comment on PlusJoy
they’re LHF and my limbait in all scum games ive been in with them
but I still think the slot is scum because of Jackson

U dropped ur case on Jackson so many times that I dont even believe u there anymore. Im not being manipulated.

wtf? Why are u voting a really inactive slot now?
VOTE: Redados
ur so scummy its unbelievable

didnt you "not want plus to accidentally hammer a townie"
weird as fuck switch

this logic is so flawed I dont even understand how they have anything to do with each other.

VOTE: mundivore
there is too much content for me to read but i checked activity overview and noticed that mundivore has even fewer posts than me which I find unthinkable considering how low volume my posting has been

ur saying we should give u a pass for being inactive but not Mundi?

the vote has deeper reasons, i did a quick iso skim and i felt the ping a few times, i think if saud is not lying about depression and is indeed town then the wagon's long lasting momentum was almost certainly supported by scum that want to make townies waste their precious thinking time on a wagon that they don't expect anyone to actually hammer. it reminds me of reservoir dogs ddu (where i was mr pink) how i kept tring to roleplay that the rats (scum) were just yap yapping and preventing meaningful discussion from taking place

this is weak. very. very. weak.

i need to actually look at the saude wagon and not just do this pointless vote VOTE: unvote

pedit
which scumgame?

Why did you refer to a game in which I was town as "my scumgame"?
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

why you keep flip flopping?

joyed you’re not the centre of the universe. I read the norway/joyed intersection as TvS or SvS-ish probably due to the absence of actual SOLVING and instead you two just go “NO U!” at each other

Norway is probably town and jackjoyed is probably scum there

mmm no. Explain.

Holy fuck what happened while I was gone. After catching up I think I dont like bugs anymore. VOTE: Bugs

[Noraa]

Bugs comes back after a hot break and accuses Mundi for doing the EXACT SAME DAMN THING(coasting) He then unvotes rq and switches to the largest wagon(Taylors) for ??? reason

[UNOwen]

Lolol

UNVOTE: Redados
VOTE: bugspray

[UNOwen]

No I was not actually but i dont really think it means anything whatsoever unless he actually wants to pursue it which I'd be opposed to. I just brought it up for cheap postgame cred in case it is what happened. I am curious though, what exactly was the point of this question?

Potentially rehashing an already proposed theory and presenting it as your own is a suspicious thing to do, but this reaction seems sincere so I guess that is not the case.

i've pinged them out a couple of times now asking for them to follow up on their notes. I still think what they did was a pretty big towntell though, but I will gladly admit that they have dropped a bit and if it continues like this I will definitely revaluate my read on them day 2.
But for day 1 I have no interest in pushing them.

I asked because bugspray camping their vote is precisely what they have done for a long time now, with no attempt to pressure Noraa or "actively trying to solve". So on that basis your read is well out of date. Do you think that the importance you are placing on the towntell is influenced by the fact that you did something similar?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Odd jester is an universal TR.
Everyone sheeps Odd jester= no scum can manipulate the wagons.

Let's just do that.

[Odd Day Jester]

bugspray is prime launchbait btw. They've been launched day 1 more than any other player I've seen on-site. It's why I was so happy to see a natural push from them early, so I could slot them as town, because something like that is rare from them as both alignments.

Psyche's post from this game where bugspray was a town PR who was launched day 1 is a very good assessment in reading them:

the more i think about it, the more it seems that the reason i haven't felt much affinity for the bugspray wagon is that i've seen so many townies get lynched for not being productive, coherent players. it's not really an alignment-indicative behavior on its own (scum have plenty of interest in being productive/coherent), but for some reason people on mafiascum.net just eat that shit up. everywhere i look in fact i just see half-assed justifications for voting them like what looker's decided is enough to justify a hammer.

maybe when i look closely at bugspray i'll see something stronger than that weaksauce but so far it's just a void why is it just a void

[Odd Day Jester]

Yeah, looking back, I still really like bugspray's Noraa push from early game. I can understand the thought process behind it and I like how they draw comparisons to themselves having similar feelings in another town game of theirs.

98 100 105

[davesaz]

finally ive finished the 12 pages

i think norwayVplus is kinda TvS-ish, with the lack of coherent logic
I think taylor is my top SR
plusjoy is still a scummy slot
scumpings on noraa has increased but might just be LHF
if taylor is red duppin is probgreen
norwee has now become nullish
redados is townleaning with the pushes and mentality i see a townie mindset tbh
mundivore iso isnt exactly great but i want to see more content
jester still town
hot take i kinda SR bugs for not giving us his notes but stating he has notes in notes pt. moving out of rvs is nai and idk why hes getting so much cred for it.

ok now that you're voting for me im gonna need you to explain why you scumread me exactly. and why do you think duppin is town?

please cite specific posts.

I never scumread Norway, I asked you to elaborate on Norway

This doesn't make sense from the quoted post. Was there an editing mistake or something? If not it feels evasive.

[Redados]

Someone asked me what my read on taylor was, I can't remember who asked me. My answer is that I don't find Taylor particularly scummy. What am I missing?

[Redados]

Noraa, I agree with your logic on bugspray.