Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Bunno]

join date of June 2020...claims to be an old-timer...something does not compute with this Bunno character

It's an alt...

[Battle Mage]

I've PMed the Mod about the rule breach allegation. I won't post further until a ruling has been made, in the interest of protecting the integrity of the game.

Which is disappointing as I have free time but ah well.

Also, in case I'm getting force-replaced, it's been fun y'all!

[TheGoldenParadox]

how does this not break trust tell rules? what do you do when someone asks you if you're scum and you are?

Its not a trust tell as if im wrong on him and he is scum. Then he did lie about his alignment after all

a trust tell is something like a player saying they never self vote as scum. And then self vote at the start every town game

so let's run through the cases.

BM is town, and BM is telling the truth that he will not lie about his alignment. this is tatamount to a trust tell, because he is basically saying "if you ask me my alignment, i will not lie," and meaning it, which means that he will gamethrow as scum.

BM is town, and this "i think lying is classless" is completely and utterly pulled out of his ass. in this case, he is BLATANTLY lying to the town, and i don't see any reason town!bm does this. even here, saying that a trust tell exists breaks site rules.

BM is scum, and this is an outright lie.

From my understanding, BM here is either scum or breaking site rules. can someone explain if i've made a mistake in my reasoning?

I don't even know what a trust tell is, but accusing me of breaking site rules is very serious. If you're doing so as a tactic to try and get me elimmed, as it appears, that's particularly bad form, and presumably against the rules itself. I will consult with the Mod.

Golden, can you confirm whether you have reported me for a rule breach? And also which rule you believe I've broken?

not using it as a tactic to get you lynched, and i agree that's horribly bad form. trust tell wikipage i do not in fact know your alignment which means that i cannot know whether or not you're breaking the rules, and even if i did know your alignment i still couldn't be sure. i'm going to check with the mod and listmod, and i apologize if i've caused you distress.

[Bunno]

Replacing you wouldn't do anything other than to make it even more gray because although false, it could be interpreted as "if he was scum he wouldn't get replaced"

I recommend mod/you/anyone involved to simply put it in the past and move on.

I don't think game integrity has been damaged as long as we move on from this right now.

[Bunno]

Replacing you, although NAI from a certain perspective, could massively damage game integrity right now.

Let's move on.

[Bunno]

VOTE: menalque

Scummer

I think I'm leaning t v t on chapter one.
Not feeling a BM or noraa vote today

Not sure 'guessing all the scum from observers' counts as winning tho BM

Compare Taylor to this

Taylor seems a lot more uninterested in the game state, and interested in maintaining status quo.

Alonzo/Taylor made the same stakes/things in very different ways.

[Bunno]

VOTE: Bob

I get the feeling noraa Vs BM continuing benefits Bob, I don't interpret his posting as him truly trying to guide noraa there.

How do you feel about Bob @noraa?

I like this post

[Bunno]

I hadn't seen it before but BM, you seem to have mentioned one of the reasons for doing that is your religion. I suggest in that case you answer as both town and mafia from now on, that you can't directly answer if you're scum/town or not because of your religion/beliefs and the trust tell guidelines. That way, you aren't lying but neither is breaking any rules. It may get hot in the first game you claim that, but after that you can simply link your past games to people that doubt you and they'll move on from it.

My 2 cents in the situation. Feel free to ignore.

[Bunno]

You can even link your explanation in those games to my post here, people will probably understand your side and stop bothering you.

[Bunno]

Assuming what you said isn't a lie though I guess?

Either way, I suggest we move on. No replacements. It would only make it even more gray.

[Bunno]

both of you are overconfiden

??noraa is overconfident?? confused face.

Ah yes, someone that has read the thread/is paying attention.

[Bunno]

It's 5pm and I'm on page 13...

Does catching up take this much time...?

I might regret replacing in...

[Bunno]

you wanna do this in every single game we play in? fine

i don't have the patience to do this every fucking single time

this seems like voting menalque because he's pushing/voting you rather than because you genuinely believe he's mafia.

[Bunno]

All Datisi did was vote without giving a reason. Thats at most a little antitown/scummy

imagine voting someone without a reason in rvs

outragious

datisi how dare you

dissing his town read again

He said negative things about noraa but still town reads the slot.

Not getting good vibes from ico.

[Bunno]

I remembered as well now (I had forgot before), I've a slightly bad record on reading town!menalque. Dunno about his alignment at the moment but now I get the meme from the "bunno will scum read me".

I don't have a negative view on his slot atm though...more like null out of respect? His posting is good but nothing I think scum!mena couldn't perform.

[Bunno]

This is something I do based off of gut scumpings occasionally. I think the scum team is Taylor/BM/Datisi
this is purely gut and only here for me to reference postgame to see how well I did guessing the scum team
This IS NOT a read
This shouldn't be considered when looking at my stance in the game. This is pure gut

I hadn't read this post before somehow, ok let's elim taylor

I'm ok with noraa living a bit longer

not a town read but I can relate to the thought process on this.

[Bunno]

hmmmmmm ok

looking at 195 (since I didn't see it earlier), seems quite fence-sitty trying to call the scumteam and then saying it's not a read lol

it used to be in fact a 100% town tell for me until I began to get low and use it in scum games as well.

[Bunno]

yay someone else finds taylor scumpingy

hot take taylor is more likely to be scum than (noraa, BM)

Why were you voting Noraa rather than Taylor again?

[Bunno]

Pay attention everyone seems to be taking taylor as scummy but no one is actually reaching out to the slot

They make it a "I can pivot there" but not actually pivoting there in their own accord.

Taylor may actually be scum in this game regardless of anyone else alignment.

[Bunno]

My thoughts at the moment is

- Taylor scum

- maybe one scum in [Ico/Datisi/Bob]. Two would be too lucky?

I'm quite confident on the first take, not so much on the second, but willing to explore it.

[Bunno]

Trying to read shelly gives me existential crisis. But I would rather do Taylor for now, shelly is really "out there", constantly giving thoughts/engaging people, even thought some of his thoughts make me give him a dirty look, there's more problematic slots I think.

[Bunno]

BM, hot take

noraa counter tunneling and omgus'ing you isn't scum!indicative
noraa using the newbie card to get out of jail for free is NAI, because scum!noraa would probably be using that as much as town!noraa

I disagree, but the jury's out on everyone really - I'm not lock-scum on Noraa or anything mad. I think there's going to be high volume posting in this game, so I'm going to take more of a backseat and share my observations later.

In response to Datisi and Menalque calling me arrogant - not actually true, it's mostly just tongue-in-cheek really!

I'm aware my scumhunting record overall is pretty marginal at best, although on my day I can be very good, and am improving with age. I generally do my best work when i don't post so much, however that's also less fun! Also pressuring newbies in non-newbie games is just objectively the right thing to do.

I like this post.

[Bunno]

VOTE: Menalque

At least partly because it would be hilarious if we flip him Day 1 when he said it would be impossible, and partly to get to the bottom of this secret PT mystery.

fine i'll spill the beans

menalque is notorious for fake claiming with/towards me and my potential roles in game, and we tend to get into a fight over it early on. He's never hard claimed like this with me tho

IIRC it was Always town!menal who pulled this shit but i'll look towards Datisi 'The Keeper Of Games' for confirmation

I didn't know that

But if he does that everytime, why scum read him like that? Especially if it's a fakeclaim?

This...is weird?

[Bunno]

Oh ok scratch [Ico, Datisi, Bob] pool. I had forgot TGP and Iamusername exist. I do wonder if there's even more people I'm not aware of atm. I didn't double check the playerlist, it was feeling like too small of a room though...

I propose do Taylor and call it a day.

[Gypyx]

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