Mini Theme 2165: MafiaSunny (Complete!)

[D3f3nd3r]

VC 3.1 (10/1/2020)

xRECKONERx [X-5]

VP Baltar [X-5]

Gamma Emerald [X-5]

Haschel Cedricson [X-5]

brighteningskies [X-5]

Noraa [X-4]

xRECKONERx

Untrod Tripod [X-5]

duppin [X-5]

Ythan [X-5]

Not Voting [8]

VP Baltar, Gamma Emerald, Haschel Cedricson, brighteningskies, Noraa, Untrod Tripod, duppin, Ythan

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to vote a player out.

Deadline is on Wednesday, October 14, at 2pm EDT, in (expired on 2020-10-14 14:00:00).

[xRECKONERx]

Ok, so let's entertain this for a minute. Who is your best guess at the full scum team reck?

great question. i'd probably wager 2 of the unrevealeds and then one of the claimed roles just based on probability. the extra manipulator role has to be something unclaimed since everything else is at least ACTION confirmed, but not alignment confirmed

so 2 of {gamma, skies, duppin, noraa} and 1 of {ut, ythan, haschel}

out of those, gun to my head, dont think it's gamma or ut.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'd really prefer not to full claim

p.edit: i 100% absolutely did not visit ythan last night so that's wild

yes i blocked n1. VPB.

well, this isn't a bastard game to my knowledge so you *did* visit Ythan last night. whether that is because of wacky hijinks or because you're a mafia roleblocker is what is up for discussion here.

also: I also tracked you N1 and my role was blocked. you can obviously see why your claim of roleblocker here is... concerning.... to me.

PEdit: you not fullclaiming is obviously fine with me because I explicitly asked you not to do it unless it explains why I tracked you to two different players last night. you claim that it doesn't so.... no worries.

Is it possible to have two role blockers in a mini theme game? Also are there any roles that can target more than one person besides mafia ofc cuz those can always multitask?

Is it possible to have two roleblockers in a mini theme game?

yes. there are a lot of different ways this could play out. multiple x-shot roles. 1 town and 1 scum rb. some kind of JoaT that has roleblocker shots. I'm specifically not saying "well reck has to be scum here" because there are many possibilities to explain why I have the results I have.

Also are there any roles that can target more than one person besides mafia ofc cuz those can always multitask?

This is a theme game, so literally anything is possible within the confines of "Is this bastard modding or not?". One of our flipped roles, bus driver, could be tracked as targeting two players depending on how the role PM is worded, for instance.

Also, mafia cannot always multitask. They can in this game, per the rules post. But, you should not assume that mafia can multitask in a game that does not say explicitly one way or the other.

The only role where targeting multiple people is built into it is bus driver, and we already had a town bus driver flip
So like, I’m very interested in how Reck intends to explain being seen visiting two people

[xRECKONERx]

So like, I’m very interested in how Reck intends to explain being seen visiting two people

i literally cannot

[Gamma Emerald]

Someone prevented my action from resolving on Reck n1. If it had he would know my role. I think the most likely explanation is that Reck is lying scum and blocked me n1 right after I outed myself as not vanilla.

Thoughts?

I think I have a good idea what you’re insinuating ythan

[Gamma Emerald]

So like, I’m very interested in how Reck intends to explain being seen visiting two people

i literally cannot

And yet you don’t think UT is scum, based on what you just said???
Like, if there’s no explanation on your end for having two actions show up, then it becomes a 1v1

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we’re at a point where massclaim might be the best course of action

[Ythan]

The fuck. Why.

[Gamma Emerald]

things i know to be true:

1. ut isnt lying about being a tracker. could be town or scum tracker.
2. haschel seems to be able to confirm ythan's role as giving masks? could be town or scum though
3. vpb is confirmed town unless haschel is going for some kinda mega big dick scum play w/ his partner (@vpb- u know HOW haschel confirmed you as town then?)
4. there is a 2nd manipulation role in addition to the town bus driver


i think that's all the info i can gleam. so that puts us in a setup of:

VT x3 [dead]
Town 2-Shot Bus Driver [dead]
Town ? modconfirmable role [vpb]
Town ? Roleblocker? [reck]

Tracker [ut]
Mask Giver? [ythan]
Watcher? [haschel]

4 unknowns?
? [gamma]
? [skies]
? [duppin]
? [noraa]

conjecture time: putting on my tin foil hat, i think symmetric powers are likely

so i believe scum has some kind of manipulation to mirror the bus driver
i would wager strongly one of the tracker/watcher is probably scum
dunno what the third scum would be at this point. poss. another rb

Eh maybe scratch that, this seems to make things decently clear

[Gamma Emerald]

I got a PM after N1 giving me mod confirmation that you were town, and then I got the exact same PM last night.

Ok. What are your thoughts about reck here?

Oh, UT claiming to see Reck visit two targets is such a bizarre lie I believe it, and Reck's flailing reads less like trying to figure out what's going on and more like flailing to find any way out. I see no (feasible) scenario where we don't eliminate him today.

Give me a few hours and I'll dive in.

This is where I’m at rn too

[xRECKONERx]

So like, I’m very interested in how Reck intends to explain being seen visiting two people

i literally cannot

And yet you don’t think UT is scum, based on what you just said???
Like, if there’s no explanation on your end for having two actions show up, then it becomes a 1v1

bc why in the unholy fuck would UT claim that as tracker?

it's not ylo yet. if this was tomorrow with more dead town, sure, ut could go for the hail mary (though i really doubt it then tbh)
but today? it makes no sense. there has to be something else going on.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your initial response didn’t seem to indicate you felt the way you are saying you are feeling

[xRECKONERx]

what

ut said why did you visit agar
i told him
??????

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant when it comes to being questioned about having two actions
If you really suspected interference I’d expect that to translate into how you’re reacting to being pressed on that, but I’m not seeing it

[xRECKONERx]

cool so can we do this now

VOTE: noraa

can we first have a very brief talk about why you visited AGar last night?

sure, i blocked him

next question?

agar can probably confirm if he has a role but then we'd be outing 3 PRs!

i'd really prefer not to full claim

p.edit: i 100% absolutely did not visit ythan last night so that's wild

yes i blocked n1. VPB.

i will just say i prefer not to full claim and i cannot explain why i visited two people

[xRECKONERx]

wait. okay.

this is gonna get me yeeted but i have to correct myself

i ORIGINALLY sent in a block on vpb, that was the PM i checked when you asked for my claim. i just checked and ORIGINALLY i blocked vpb *last night* and sent a correction in this morning (tues @ 12:38am vs wed @ 10:38am). i thought that older pm was from n1 but it was from n2.

i *did* block you n1, UT

lol i didn't but go off i guess

i didn't receive jack shit. something else made me visit you last night. scum clearly have some kind of manipulation of actions in the game.

and they're not gonna claim it obviously

i guess i am because you're either scum and lying or town and scum are manipulating actions and i have no way to prove either.

ok. so there's two roleblockers. the other one has a very high % chance to be scum imo.

You still have a second unexplained action in a game with scum multitasking.

yeah, i can't explain that one

things i know to be true:

1. ut isnt lying about being a tracker. could be town or scum tracker.
2. haschel seems to be able to confirm ythan's role as giving masks? could be town or scum though
3. vpb is confirmed town unless haschel is going for some kinda mega big dick scum play w/ his partner (@vpb- u know HOW haschel confirmed you as town then?)
4. there is a 2nd manipulation role in addition to the town bus driver


i think that's all the info i can gleam. so that puts us in a setup of:

VT x3 [dead]
Town 2-Shot Bus Driver [dead]
Town ? modconfirmable role [vpb]
Town ? Roleblocker? [reck]

Tracker [ut]
Mask Giver? [ythan]
Watcher? [haschel]

4 unknowns?
? [gamma]
? [skies]
? [duppin]
? [noraa]

conjecture time: putting on my tin foil hat, i think symmetric powers are likely

so i believe scum has some kind of manipulation to mirror the bus driver
i would wager strongly one of the tracker/watcher is probably scum
dunno what the third scum would be at this point. poss. another rb

[Ythan]

I guess I'm waiting for Brightening Skies to post.

[VP Baltar]

{ut, ythan, haschel}

I mean, what are the odds of scum!Haschel blurting out an explanation that makes town!reck less yeetable? Also, would scum!Haschel double confirm I'm town?

[xRECKONERx]

{ut, ythan, haschel}

I mean, what are the odds of scum!Haschel blurting out an explanation that makes town!reck less yeetable? Also, would scum!Haschel double confirm I'm town?

uhhh well scumHasch would know that im telling the truth about not getting hit with all the abilities people were claiming. and telling the truth is always a great way for scum to appear town.

if i'm scum in HC's position i absolutely come in with the extra context on the person about to get misyeeted bc then when i'm in presumable lylo (what're we calling lylo) tomorrow, at 3:4, that's one person off the table. or at least less likely to be in consideration than other people.

that being said, i do think of that list, ythan makes the most sense for scum on play/actions alone. but id rather yeet from the other list first since i think there's a higher cluster of likely scum there.

[Ythan]

A higher cluster of scum?

[Ythan]

I think I get your meaning though.

[xRECKONERx]

did i stutter

i think there's more likely to be multiple scum in the unclaimed group

[Ythan]

That ninja.

[xRECKONERx]

how did you avoid the ninja edit wtf

[Untrod Tripod]

I still have not seen any convincing explanation why I saw you visit two players last night.

and because of the way you claimed, the mafia having a framer is not a reasonable explanation because they would have framed you visiting the slot that died.