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[Bunno]

you didn't touch on why shellyc isn't scum

, or on the actual points brought out against shellyc. You only went 'taylor is scum->wagons arent s/s so shellyc prob town'

No, I just talked it out with menalque.

You haven't been reading this game/my iso carefully.

[Iconeum]

I don't like to use past games but I tunneled FlavorLeaf/Kuribo for entire 3 in-game days in TM 2020 and it turns out I was right, while the one screaming "yeah but you're too tunneled" was just letting scum slip.

'i was right in this one game so i must be right here'

[Bunno]

that would point towards someone in like (menal/GP/??)

menal was one of the first people to try pushing taylor

how do they have partner equity more than say, datisi that's been soft-defending/diverting from taylor wagon since the game start?

ico I don't understand your logic

I can see mena + taylor but not one of my first picks on pairing at all.

[Iconeum]

you didn't touch on why shellyc isn't scum

, or on the actual points brought out against shellyc. You only went 'taylor is scum->wagons arent s/s so shellyc prob town'

No, I just talked it out with menalque.

You haven't been reading this game/my iso carefully.

you didn't

you only voted and started pushing taylor since yesterday IIRC
the engagement you had with menal was fluff IIRC (about speeling and gramaar)
there was no discussion about taylor

i could be wrong but, point me at a general set of posts/pages?

[Iconeum]

ico I don't understand your logic

many people don't

[Bunno]

I don't like to use past games but I tunneled FlavorLeaf/Kuribo for entire 3 in-game days in TM 2020 and it turns out I was right, while the one screaming "yeah but you're too tunneled" was just letting scum slip.

'i was right in this one game so i must be right here'

The point isn't I'm right on this

it's that my tunneling isn't necessarily bad

I probably always tunnel my SRs, it's how I work.

Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, it's life.

But don't try to say my read is bad because I'm tunneling.

[Iconeum]

that would point towards someone in like (menal/GP/??)

menal was one of the first people to try pushing taylor

how do they have partner equity more than say, datisi that's been soft-defending/diverting from taylor wagon since the game start?

ico I don't understand your logic

I can see mena + taylor but not one of my first picks on pairing at all.

let's agree to not bait me anymore ok

now, this post is important on D2 pending on who flips what, for post-flip/Association analysis and it's hard to answer this today

[Bunno]

you didn't touch on why shellyc isn't scum

, or on the actual points brought out against shellyc. You only went 'taylor is scum->wagons arent s/s so shellyc prob town'

No, I just talked it out with menalque.

You haven't been reading this game/my iso carefully.

you didn't

you only voted and started pushing taylor since yesterday IIRC
the engagement you had with menal was fluff IIRC (about speeling and gramaar)
there was no discussion about taylor

i could be wrong but, point me at a general set of posts/pages?

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These posts. There's probably more bits and pieces scattered in my ISO.

bunno I would like you to talk more about shelly and what the good!posting is before I consider joining you on Taylor

ok imagine you're shelly and imagine you're scum

it's early game and there's lots of fighting in noraa/bm and some distrust in datisi/menalque

do you

1) stop babblering/engaging people non stop until it reaches the point you start to sound like you're contradicting yourself because you're changing opinions too fast

or

2) you don't really care about solving the game so you just post some made up logical stances and be comfy

Her enthusiasm on engaging people seemed positive to me, some of her takes sounds too convenient to be true, like their timing on town reading/ scum reading you, and her mind zooning out of focus on who to push, but I don't often find people that talk too much and don't end up making a mess of their public images. There's a whole philosophy of "silence is gold" to be made in mafia games.

Contrasting it to Taylor that does seem very comfy on the current/past gamestates, I ain't eager to elim shelly in day 1.

I think you're underestimating how comfortable shelly is as scum and how high energy she is too

if that's an important part of your read on her I suggest you jettison it, meta her, and realise that her being engaged with the game/being happy to draw attention onto herself is absolutely not a town tell and she's fully competent enough to do that as scum

also, I don't think there was really any distrust between dats and me early game?

not in you as each other

I meant public consensus was lightly trending into "maybe one scum in datisi/menalque"

at least it was the kind of room temperature I was reading

About Shelly's meta...I don't know if I've stomach for meta, I'll consider what you said, but at the same time shelly seems on crossvotes with my top suspect taylor so even if it's not a very positive point I'm not very interested on shelly in day 1

[Iconeum]

The point isn't I'm right on thisit's that my tunneling isn't necessarily badI probably always tunnel my SRs, it's how I work. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, it's life. But don't try to say my read is bad because I'm tunneling.

you are missing my point

i don't say -and i have never said nor suggested - that you are wrong

i simply asked you to refute the points that were brought out on shellyc but you went full defensive

tunnels can be correct - i've been there a lot before

i don't think ur scum this game - and i think that you are in fact certain about what ur saying. but that doesn't stop me from pointing out what looks like logical fallacies

[Bunno]

that would point towards someone in like (menal/GP/??)

menal was one of the first people to try pushing taylor

how do they have partner equity more than say, datisi that's been soft-defending/diverting from taylor wagon since the game start?

ico I don't understand your logic

I can see mena + taylor but not one of my first picks on pairing at all.

let's agree to not bait me anymore ok

now, this post is important on D2 pending on who flips what, for post-flip/Association analysis and it's hard to answer this today

I used to think like this, but time after time I just realized that what NSG told me one day was really right

"Catch one scum at each time, rinse and repeat"

Overthinking stuff about other slots/associations is the top 1 thing which made me lose sight of my correct reads in previous games

[Iconeum]

i am actually focusing on catching one scum at a time, but what i'm saying is that my reads don't make a *ton* of sense because of reasons said before

that is also why i was pushing you around a bit

and guess what - one of the main ways i form reads is by bumping heads with players

[Bunno]

Ico I need to go have lunch/do other stuff.

I didn't want to tell you to shut up, but I got annoyed on the argument of "bunno diverting from noraa/shelly" while you guys have simply been sitting at them for the whole game.

I didn't want to bring up Team Mafia, I can be wrong here about Taylor, and previous games have nothing to do with my current guesses, but even if it was unintentional, don't try to portray me as a crazy tunneled person because I've been the victim of that mindset many, many times.

See you.

[Iconeum]

username, alonzo, BM and noraa should probably start giving opinions on the 2 wagons and vote on either one to try and consolidate something

[Bunno]

I stand to the fact I adressed shelly, adressed noraa, but they weren't as interesting wagons as Taylor, therefore I'm pushing Taylor. It's all in my ISO.

Adress my case on Taylor without creating false equalities on Taylor/Noraa/Shelly because regardless of who is mafia, they're bad for different/distinct reasons and saying anything other than that is disingenuous.

[Bunno]

Alonzo and Taly in terms of content are considerably similar as well, but I've very different opinions on them

It's not only about what you do, it's how you do it and when.

Last post and I apologize if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.

[Noraa]

people on the Taylor wagon are all probably town, I think Bunno is very townie. im fine with noraa lim today as well

ico give me a tl;dr

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

I think there’s something. something wrong about the menal slot

doesn’t really think their posts are showing a really solve mindset and are instead parked on me

no one thought there was anything wrong with BM when he was parked on me so I dont see anything wrong here either.

VOTE: taylor

VOTE: shellyc

Why so flip floppy?

noraa is actually probably town by screaming 'HERE IS MY TOWNGAME LOOK AT MEEEEEEE'

i don't like how taylor jumped ship for me putting shellyc at L-1

counterwagon taylor is interesting as well because there's a bunch of my townreads there, but also shellyc so ????

One post from me about a finished town game that I posted all over the place was all it took for u to find the perfect opportunity to give me a free town pass?

yeah sure you just tunnel in on 1 slot

i'll try to be the townie here and try to look at the bigger picture

this is rich coming from the only person that continued tunneling in on me when everyone else stopped.

I HATE THE SWITCH. If you continued tunneling, I would've found u pretty towny. This switch was unnatural. you keep switching between throwing shade at me and voting shelly and vice versa. It's stupid and scummy. If ur town, stop.
VOTE: ICO

[iamausername]

username, alonzo, BM and noraa should probably start giving opinions on the 2 wagons and vote on either one to try and consolidate something

acknowledged. need to get caught up properly, but my feeling before doing so is that i expect to be more inclined to vote Taylor over shelly.

[shellyc]

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

im fine if someone wants to policy noraa but we should all lim Taylor

[Noraa]

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

im fine if someone wants to policy noraa but we should all lim Taylor

U at L-2 rn?

[shellyc]

bunno vs ico is probably another shitfight over logical fallacies instead of solving Taylor/me alignments
Bunno I’ve been consistently pushing Taylor and although I haven’t done a very very good job of articulating it and you’ve made a much more comprehensive casingtaylor is by far my strongest SR
I am also not noraa despite the avis

username talk to me about why you’re inclined to vote Taylor

pedit yes and I just claimed vt

[shellyc]

Why so flip floppy?

why is flip flopping a problem though, talk me through this

[shellyc]

no one thought there was anything wrong with BM when he was parked on me so I dont see anything wrong here either.

BM isn’t menal

BM isn’t menal and just because nobody scumreads menal for xxxxx doesn’t mean xxxxx is a valid scum tell. whats your take on menal then. BM at least tries to solve other slots which is evident from their ISO.

[Noraa]

BM doesn't really try to solve other slots. For other slots, he kind just gets his toes a lil wet and that's it. Todays leading wagons are shelly and Taylor correct? I read a bunch of peoples attacks on them and currently want a shelly lim more however I'll have to reread and see what I think after.

[shellyc]

Scum: Noraa, Menalque.

the moment when someone READS OTHER SLOTS and you say they do nothing.

noraa whats your read on Taylor? null or just townie

[Noraa]

pretty null rn