Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Noraa]

I do notice that Taylor is producing much less content than she was as town in that one game that finished but besides that, nothing stands out to me

[shellyc]

why is flip flopping a problem though, talk me through this

@noraa

I kinda feel like if you’re town, your weakness is pretty much just tunnel visioning and vanity voting your biggest scumread. sometimes your vote needs to be on your biggest SR, but overall your vote should be a vote that helps town. and vanity voting isn’t helping to further anything, since we need to get an elimination in

pedit: hmmm then tell me why producing no content is not enough of a scum tell

[Noraa]

I dont produce content even when I'm a fucking town power role(the newbie that just ended I was JKer). What more is there to say?

[Noraa]

I just struggle with producing content and thats all there is to it. period.
its not AI and should not be the reason for a SR or a TR

[shellyc]

its not about you

its about Taylor producing 0 content

[Noraa]

Oh! Welp I also noticed she wasn't producing that much content but so?

[Tayl0r Swift]

noraa why the fuck are you on ico now???

Menalque ; Datisi ; TheGoldenParadox ; bob3141 ; Iconeum
I think {menal Datisi} and {golden bob} contain at least one scum within each bracket

Taylors weird flipout on me kinda reads scum trying to avoid being on a town lim

why? i was the first one on the wagon, it would be pretty easy to make up a reason to scumread you and coast

[shellyc]

since the wagon is gaining traction and now you’d be tomorrows lim when I flip VT

why are you flipping on me then

do you think both leading wagons are both town and the scum are active then by your train of thought

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes

you should claim

L-1 and intent

this was a straight up lie. i dont see how shelly could believe the lie given that her post is sitting next to a vote count, but its still a lie manipulating someone into claiming

[shellyc]

Oh! Welp I also noticed she wasn't producing that much content but so?

do you not think not producing content is AI
if its not AI at least it’s definitely ANTI TOWN

[shellyc]

BM asked me to claim, not ico.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Taylor unvoting sounds less like a partner trying to bail out in the last minutes of bussing (which is a very very very rare thing to happen, you need to have too much courage to unvote your partner on L-1), and more like she wants to distance herself of shelly wagon even though she voted him it's been more than an entire week by now.

Look I've tried my best but I can't understand a world where it's town!Taylor.

its amazing how you can come up with all these scum explanations but cant even consider for a moment the actual reason that i actually stated

[Tayl0r Swift]

bunno, ur trying to divert a lot of attention away from shellyc without trying to dismantle the actual points there are on shellyc

what do you think of the case?

this is actually a really good point that bunno is chainsaw defending shelly

[Tayl0r Swift]

BM asked me to claim, not ico.

look at post 1403. there was no need for you to claim

[Tayl0r Swift]

I've no interest in wasting more of my time on this. Already wasted my entire yesterday. I'm going to have lunch.

I may be right, I may be wrong, but if you all can just stop saying I'm trying to divert attention from other people wagon and actually engage my Taylor wagon, that would be nice.

Not one

I repeat

Not one person has actually managed to excuse Taylor behavior by anything other than trying to compare it to noraa/shelly when it's not equal at all. You can use how much rethoric/hyperbole you want but the unique slot that is close to Taylor levels of contribution is Bob.

This game has been about Noraa/Shelly it's been 50 pages, more than one week, but when I introduce you a new wagon it's because I'm partners with noraa/shelly.

If you want to elim them so much, do as you wish. Just don't blame me for it later + I shouldn't be blamed if I miselim you later.

you realize that i replaced in 3 days ago and havent finished catching up right? why are you holding me to the same standard as people who have been in the game the whole time?

VOTE: bunno

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't like to use past games but I tunneled FlavorLeaf/Kuribo for entire 3 in-game days in TM 2020 and it turns out I was right, while the one screaming "yeah but you're too tunneled" was just letting scum slip.

'i was right in this one game so i must be right here'

The point isn't I'm right on this

it's that my tunneling isn't necessarily bad

I probably always tunnel my SRs, it's how I work.

Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, it's life.

But don't try to say my read is bad because I'm tunneling.

its not that your reason is bad because youre tunneling. its that your read is bad because youre being inconsistent in applying logic and it makes no sense that you townread other people who have done the same thing as me. and the fact that you dont realize i replaced in recently suggests that you didnt read the thread that carefully, and lying about that is scum indicative i think. like pretending to read the whole thread and know whats going on enough to push me when it seems that you havent read the thread at all and your reasoning for pushing me is factually wrong tells me that youre BSing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

u TR me then u throw shade on me. wtf.

im fine if someone wants to policy noraa but we should all lim Taylor

this is a really bad post, especially when youre the leading wagon

[Tayl0r Swift]

bunno vs ico is probably another shitfight over logical fallacies instead of solving Taylor/me alignments
Bunno I’ve been consistently pushing Taylor and although I haven’t done a very very good job of articulating it and you’ve made a much more comprehensive casingtaylor is by far my strongest SR
I am also not noraa despite the avis

username talk to me about why you’re inclined to vote Taylor

pedit yes and I just claimed vt

dont you already have reasons for voting me? actually, what are the reasons you find me scummy? how do they differ from literally every single other game we have ever been in together where you have also tunneled me?

[Tayl0r Swift]

since the wagon is gaining traction and now you’d be tomorrows lim when I flip VT

why are you flipping on me then

do you think both leading wagons are both town and the scum are active then by your train of thought

would i have been tomorrows lunch? i dont think many people scumread me prior to my unvoting. only bunno. unvoting called attention to myself. whats the scum motivation there?

and im starting to think that maybe you are scum. ill wait to evaluate until i read those 15 pages i havent read.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hang on im not a replacement in this game, but i did completely forget about it for 36+ hours until a prod. i think that explains my low content?

[Tayl0r Swift]

am i really not producing content though? like, exclude the 50% of the thread where i literally forgot about the game. in the rest of the thread i am producing content and am engaged... wtf

[Bunno]

am i really not producing content though? like, exclude the 50% of the thread where i literally forgot about the game. in the rest of the thread i am producing content and am engaged... wtf

I'll give you a good look of what your posts look like in the recent 48 hours, of which you were around because you posted although in intervals

okay, that's interesting. i didn't know that, but that makes the shelly/ico interaction super interesting.

you think scum!ico and scum!shellyc are pocketing each other?

i do. gotta convince each other not to bus somehow

shelly/ico/bm seems absolutely like a viable scumteam to me.

that is literally our town block lol

I kinda like bussing as well. I have several completed games you can look at

pls no bus me

better try and pocket her asap

i wanna believe that noraa is LHF

do i have a wrong interpretation of LHF or?????

how is noraa lhf?

lhf = people shelly doesnt want you to wagon

noraa case in a nutshell:

-(counter?)tunneling on BM
-confbiasing, trying to make every post BM made into a scumtell
-not having other reads outside of BM
-not trying to have reads outside of BM
-after being forced into having a read, suddenly has a strong townread for reasons that previously had noraa 'all are null'
-increasingly bad posts in general

welcome to noraa

can everybody give like 2 people they want to elim today? would be good to get some hard data at this point.

donald trump and joe biden

second request that you respond to this @shelly

me changing reads to fit the situation is my general town play really
as town I have much lower confidence in myself

also, to the points that made me reconsider, things like the reaction to ico outing the fake was kinda artificial? the push on me for essentially swimming with the tide isn’t exactly town pinging either

so tunneling is your scumplay?

The important ones from the top of my head:

- Don't announce you're replacing out of games or try to get other people to replace. Don't comment on replacements either (I kinda broke it early but...)

- Don't use the L word if possible

- Trust tells

- Don't scumclaim together with someone else, even if it's false. Scum claiming by yourself is fine.

I wouldn't say the above is for the last 7 years though...maybe only for the last 3 - 4 years. I don't think there's anything else important though.

llama

I've given up on convincing you guys to vote taylor with logic

what about cookies though?

did i miss the part where you were trying to get people to vote me using logic?

link pls noraa

link pls noraa

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=1100

wow you posted 50% more than the next highest poster in that game. thats impressive...

[Bunno]

I'll pretend your OMGUS is an actual read as well rather than just defense mode because I have a thing for fantasies

[Bunno]

i feel like username is just kinda obvtown here, at least to me.

There's gems like this as well

[Bunno]

If you really had a problem with my takes/etc you would have voted me when you first acknowledged my existence/pushes here:

Taylor did you do a response to that entire curbstomp thing bunno did earlier?

theres not much to say... its wrong, and the confidence in being wrong makes me question why a good player who is town would be so insistent that im scum. i dont know what to make of it, but eh.

But you didn't because the wagon had no traction and you felt safe. You don't seem to scumread my takes/pushes, you just seem to vote me because it's safe play for you now that you're out of shelly and the wagons are turning.

Your last posts are the most contributive you've been, but it's only after you're in the spotlight.