Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Almost50]

I believe in Democracy and the American way

Is that the Trump way or the Biden way? (DO NOT ANSWER. I don't want to start a political debate here. I am just making a joke)

[Almost50]

My salsa

vs. MY salsa

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I disagree. Titus, for instance, was known to power-lynch partners and then ride the towncred. Ive done the same, tbh.

If true; this must be her new meta. The traditional Titus meta is to never bus. When did that change?

[Almost50]

You have to use all the posts that have timestamps to follow it.

I know now. I spoke too fast (as always)

[Almost50]

piss, rude

pissing in public is rude indeed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I can't fucking read chk, it seems different from the game I had with him. I can't talk about the other reason why I voted for iks.

there's no point to read chk

if it's day 4 and he hasn't caught to entire scum team or been nightkilled u just exec him then BOP

[pisskop]

I disagree. Titus, for instance, was known to power-lynch partners and then ride the towncred. Ive done the same, tbh.

If true; this must be her new meta. The traditional Titus meta is to never bus. When did that change?

Nah, she brags about it occasionally. But it doesnt matter if she does cuz she ded.

My salsa

vs. MY salsa

Spoiler:

That was better than it had any right to be.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would scum bus before a claim, especially when there was a seemingly valid counter to work with?
Possibly more importantly, what do you think about people who switched from NPOM vs. people who hadn't voted NPOM?

My thoughts: any new bussing (if any) is after claim, and probably not the first 1-2 after claim. Pre-claim bussing (if any) should be much earlier in the wagon before it got real, and people who had laid a foundation to not vote NPOM.

I disagree. Titus, for instance, was known to power-lynch partners and then ride the towncred. Ive done the same, tbh.

Actually Titus is on the record as being very anti-bus

[NoPowerOverMe]

[Gamma Emerald]

I see that point has been covered

[pisskop]

Spoiler: titus and I have a history of this conversation

Subject: Blitz 6: Normal! [Game Over]

TITUS, WHY AM I BUTTHURT? OVER WHAT? WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NONSENSE
AND BETS WHEN YOU FLAT OUT IGNORE HONEST QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS?

Cuz you won't vote scum when I'm proven right/smart. By your logic when I bus, I bus hard, which means scum are in my pool anyway.

You aren't putting honest questions but raving like a lunatic.

Subject: Ny 192 Dead thread

:'( My shiny bus....

This is why I do not bus.

theres more, but Im not shifting through the several dozen pages of content we share for it. Theres precedent for a hard titus bus precisely because she decries it.

[pisskop]

In ny192 she explicitly bussed and it got her, lynched. By me.

[pisskop]

But, again, it doesnt matter. cuz she ded.

[TiphaineDeath]

@Pooky Eeeeeeh? When he is also a strong scum power roll himself? Logic does not really hold up.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Pooky Eeeeeeh? When he is also a strong scum power roll himself? Logic does not really hold up.

why can't npom be an even stronger scum PR?

Doesn't really make sense imo for IKS-scum to not vote/push the only other fairly viable wagon at that point in time to keep himself alive.

[TiphaineDeath]

It does if he thinks his best bet to get the other guy lynched does not involve him pushing the lynch. I've made the play as scum before.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It might matter actually.

[Gamma Emerald]

I know, right?

Would you say as scum Chk you are capable of emulating this attitude or is this more your town meta?

I wouldn't say "as scum" or "as town" I'm anything because everything that proceeds after sentences like those are complete WIFOM bullshit.

I will say that I'm always angry.

It looks like scum anger tho : )
VOTE: chkflip

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't see this game as the right audience for that play esp this close to deadline

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know, right?

Would you say as scum Chk you are capable of emulating this attitude or is this more your town meta?

I wouldn't say "as scum" or "as town" I'm anything because everything that proceeds after sentences like those are complete WIFOM bullshit.

I will say that I'm always angry.

It looks like scum anger tho : )
VOTE: chkflip

yeeeeeeeeeesssssss

[Gamma Emerald]

Goofball seems to vote without a clear thought process. Also lack of quotes makes it hard to tell. Interesting to note while voting for Walter thae reply to someone was vote for iks. The claim stall is a bit weird. Other than that believes npom is scum. Considers to vote iks for that post on refusing to vote for npom. Neutral feeling
I am curious goofball if you believed both were scum why did you believe people who voted for other than npom deserve to be vigged?
pedit Do you mind pointing to where chkflip says that?

I got excited because NPOM was claim stalling. Everyone knows how I feel about that; claim stalls are 100% scum all the time, no exception.

At the same time, I good good feels from IKS because he claimed quickly, and his role description has some parallels with mine.

But then someone pointed out that the Developper bit was not very guitaristy, and I started to think IKS had outed the scum flavor, but I couldn't be sure.

I think the flavor thing was pointed out well before that point
other than that, this makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

How does everyone know your position on claim stalls?

It's in his signature

[Gamma Emerald]

Starting from mod posted VC's only, as I certainly don't have time to generate a complete flow. Timestamps are again UTC-7 my local time, you will see different times for the same posts according to your timezone.

Note: the commentary on changes between VC's is between them, so commentary precedes the VC it's about.

Starting point for this analysis:

Spoiler: vc

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:04:06 pm
I Keep Siteflaking (7): NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Almost50, WaltertheDunce10
Galron (4): Starbuck, davesaz, a2rudeboy, Bambi Jay
Doctor Drew (4): I Keep Siteflaking, chkflip, PookyTheMagicalBear, pisskop
WalterTheDunce10 (2): Galron, Looker
chkflip (1): DrippingGoofball
TiphaineDeath (1): Titus
NoPowerOverMe (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (1): Lavender

A big wagon on NPOM comes up over the next two days. IKS remains in the lead. WalterTheDunce10 leaves and Bambi Jay enters. It makes sense to look at reasons for all the people going onto NPOM. I know that Iecerint made a case, and that a lot of people said that case was their reason, but I have not paid much attention to exactly who. IKS importantly is not on NPOM.

Spoiler: VC

Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:18:32 pm
I Keep Siteflaking (7): NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, Doctor Drew, BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Almost50, Bambi Jay
NoPowerOverMe (6): Iecerint, Lavender, Starbuck, WaltertheDunce10, PookyTheMagicalBear, Galron
Doctor Drew (2): I Keep Siteflaking, chkflip
Lavender (2): a2rudeboy, Titus
Galron (1): davesaz
WalterTheDunce10 (1): Looker
chkflip (1): DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (1): pisskop

This gap is 1 day 7 hours or so, and personal note I was basically unavailable during this time on a fishing trip. I skimmed this gap and part of the next one up to my vote on Sunday.

NPOM wagon changes: PookyTheMagicalBear leaves, DGB joins, chkflip joins, pisskop joins
IKS wagon changes: NPOM leaves, Gamma leaves, Titus joins, looker joins.
Wagon leavers: PookyTheMagicalBear goes to pisskop, NPOM goes to pisskop. Interesting how both of the people being wagoned go to pisskop here.

Spoiler: VC

Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:38:24 pm
NoPowerOverMe (8): Iecerint, Lavender, Starbuck, WaltertheDunce10, Galron, DrippingGoofball, chkflip, pisskop
I Keep Siteflaking (7): Doctor Drew, BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Almost50, Bambi Jay, Titus, Looker
pisskop (4): NoPowerOverMe, I Keep Siteflaking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): davesaz, a2rudeboy

Time gap here is a little under a day. I was still gone over half of it.

IKS wagon changese: Drew leaves, A50 leaves, pisskop joins, I join after returning from fishing (

note: NPOM is in the lead at that point

), NPOM joins
NPOM wagon changes: Drew joins

Spoiler: VC

Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:57:58 pm
NoPowerOverMe (8): Iecerint, Lavender, Starbuck, WaltertheDunce10, Galron, DrippingGoofball, chkflip, Doctor Drew
I Keep Siteflaking (8): BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Bambi Jay, Titus, Looker, pisskop, davesaz, NoPowerOverMe
pisskop (3): I Keep Siteflaking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): a2rudeboy, Almost50

Changes: Gamma (from pisskop), Walter (from NPOM), and Starbuck (from NPOM) go on IKS.

Spoiler: VC

Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:49:03 am
SHREDDED I Keep Siteflaking (11): BrightEyedFish, TiphaineDeath, Bambi Jay, Titus, Looker, pisskop, davesaz, NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, WaltertheDunce10, Starbuck
NoPowerOverMe (6): Iecerint, Lavender, Galron, DrippingGoofball, chkflip, Doctor Drew
pisskop (2): I Keep Siteflaking, PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (2): a2rudeboy, Almost50

Things I see in this data:

The last 3 voters on IKS moved over less than 12 hours from the end and 2/3 of them came from NPOM wagon. Deadline was early in the day for US timezones. I don't know where everyone lives so it's hard to draw any conclusion from timing.

Gamma apparently had an 8 vs 8 choice and could have chosen NPOM. I doubt Gamma is bussing from the time flow, but would need to examine the posts to go deeper on that.

Walter was on IKS much earlier, left and came back near the end. This is a potential scum pattern, in particular leaving the CW at the tipping point, which needs a deeper look at the reasons given for the votes.

The reason to look at Starbuck would be to investigate the idea of a hammer for town cred. Someone made a reference to getting up early being unlikely for scum who could let it go for a no-shred. It's 6am from my timezone but that's 9am for Eastern US and late in the day for Europe. I think it's a big conclusion jump to think getting up early has anything to do with it unless you know a particular player's timezone. At E-1 at deadline, writing is on the wall and it's a tradeoff between the pain of hammering vs. not being sure if anyone knows or will figure out you ran out the clock. I don't think we can rule out a bus here. On the flip side, it's a pretty towny move.

For the last 3, I think Gamma is unlikely to be bussing, Walter's pattern could be bussing based on having been on IKS early and coming back very late, and Starbuck's vote is actually NAI because either alignment would probably do the same in that situation.

I probably better wrap this up and come back with more in another post. It's 77 lines in notepad and that's with the paragraphs counting as one.

Where was the claim in this sequence
I agree that Walter's movement does match expected scum movement though

[Gamma Emerald]

Dave vs CHK is DEFINITELY not scum v scum, unless one of them is 3P, and I am inclined to townread Dave for this.

I don't particularly agree, it could be distancing, and I do think chk has a point about what would have counted as analysis
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm interested in hearing more on this if you can provide

[NoPowerOverMe]

I wouldn't be against a walter wagon.