Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[The Bulge]

personally

VOTE: Something smart

[morph the cat]

while we're talking about how bad it is to kill players everyone agrees on, when was the last time we all had a serious discussion about wagonning someone who is not mariab/alisae/420?

like how much info are we

really

banking on if whichever of these we go with flips green? given that everyone for the most part seems pretty in-line with this limpool.

Speak a name into the ether?

[zMuffinMan]

i take it you think mariaboy is town now something_smart?

what do your scum reads look like now?

while we're talking about how bad it is to kill players everyone agrees on, when was the last time we all had a serious discussion about wagonning someone who is not mariab/alisae/420?

probably not enough time left for there to be any serious consideration for anyone else, given the current game state (specifically, i don't know if there's a name outside of them that enough people feel pretty strongly about)

plus they're probably not all town anyway

plus unless we crapshoot and hit scum, it's gonna come back to them tomorrow anyway most likely

[zMuffinMan]

something_smart is probably the person i feel least good about outside of those names though so i am not exactly opposed to what i'm ultimately thinking is just going to be a vanity wagon at this stage

[The Bulge]

and how fun is an 18 hour vanity flashwagon

[morph the cat]

The thing is, I'm not sure i WANT that slot to be able to act, regardless. So if they're town, we saved ourselves from two players who couldn't be bothered to catch up OR even ask for the entire role PM, but somehow should be trusted to get a vig shot with even higher than average negative utility.

[morph the cat]

Something something data for the data gods.

[The Bulge]

of those 3 I'd be by far the most ok with maid if im only considering likelihood of flipping red

[midwaybear]

Vanity and flash wagon don’t go together. I don’t think he is a good option for today.

[The Bulge]

and i skipped all the leashing talk, ill let yall lead that one if thats how we're dealing with that slot

[The Bulge]

Something something data for the data gods.

Vanity and flash wagon don’t go together. I don’t think he is a good option for today.

it's not like we only have wagonomics on our side? we have 150+ pages peppered with peoples opinions of s_s

[midwaybear]

I don’t really think he is scum at this point even if he has been scummy.

[The Bulge]

huh?

[zMuffinMan]

somehow should be trusted to get a vig shot with even higher than average negative utility.

indeed, this is what i meant when i said it doesn't make sense to try less than usual in a game where you have a short shelf-life and ideally wanna be as accurate as possible about the one thing it's important you get correct

[Something_Smart]

i take it you think mariaboy is town now something_smart?

yes and even if I didn't the potential upside to giving them a day to prove would outweigh the potential downside.

[Something_Smart]

what do your scum reads look like now?

I don't know, I don't really have any. I wouldn't oppose killing 420.

[Something_Smart]

The thing is, I'm not sure i WANT that slot to be able to act, regardless. So if they're town, we saved ourselves from two players who couldn't be bothered to catch up OR even ask for the entire role PM, but somehow should be trusted to get a vig shot with even higher than average negative utility.

what

[The Bulge]

i feel so ignored :^(

[Bell]

I think maidcFe maybe town, even though they claimed something almost exactly the same as last time this is still a “why claim a role that makes sure they don’t make it to end game”.

I don’t disagree that it may be a poor choice to have them use the ability without targeting someone that is really likely to be mafia.

[Remilia Scarlet]

I don't really have a stake in the flavor thing.

I don't know why we're trying to leash Maid Cafe. That's a move you do for SKs that you're basically trying to force to play pro-town while knowing that they're really not on your team - it's a method of control, not a path to clarity. If they're lying, they're lying - I don't think controlling the target gives any insight into that and it gives scum less room to maneuver if that slot is indeed legitimate.

[Remilia Scarlet]

the shot choice is data.

they can claim that tomorrow then? If they're town they can say who they picked, and we can decide what to do at that point.

If they're scum then it doesn't matter what they "pick"

[midwaybear]

It definitely matters who they “pick” if they are scum.

[morph the cat]

the shot choice is data.

they can claim that tomorrow then? If they're town they can say who they picked, and we can decide what to do at that point.

If they're scum then it doesn't matter what they "pick"

Yeah, I didn't mean it was data we can only get today. My point was that leashing actually fuzzes up that data.

[Bell]

Scum rarely if ever have roles that exchange 1 for 1

[Remilia Scarlet]

the shot choice is data.

they can claim that tomorrow then? If they're town they can say who they picked, and we can decide what to do at that point.

If they're scum then it doesn't matter what they "pick"

Yeah, I didn't mean it was data we can only get today. My point was that leashing actually fuzzes up that data.

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