Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[PenguinPower]

Mine

link to VC on this page

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.001
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez	EL-6	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	PenguinPower, Fun and Games, Albert B. Rampage	EL-4	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	1	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	Bingle	EL-6	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	Gamma Emerald, CreativeMod1, Pine, Nosferatu, I Keep Siteflaking, Ydrasse, beeboy
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: None pagetops: Lilith 7 | penguin 8 | cm1 2 | ABR 1 | gamma 1 | gb 1 | fun & games 1

[Albert B. Rampage]

I confused George with Beeboy. Similar posting styles...

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Beeboy

[CreativeMod1]

Also this is why I didn't go into the gym, felt it would've been a prime target for scum

Why did you assume that scum would have an ability to target an entire room?

Very good question, tbh I was thinking of the actual Betrayal game and thinking about how you gotta be in the same room as someone to attack them or do actions against them

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

[CreativeMod1]

Also this is why I didn't go into the gym, felt it would've been a prime target for scum

Why did you assume that scum would have an ability to target an entire room?

Very good question, tbh I was thinking of the actual Betrayal game and thinking about how you gotta be in the same room as someone to attack them or do actions against them

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

[CreativeMod1]

VOTE: Bingle

I think I can get behind this tbh, I don't like how twice he's tried to clear me....kinda feels like he's trying to be all buddy buddy with me, today is a bit more understandable due to them using night actions as a reason to clear me, but I still don't understand what he said yesterday (as posted below) and he didn't answer me when I asked him about it, so Bingle...care to give an answer now?

Yeah, rereading the ISO GB’s approach to the game just doesn’t feel town.

VOTE: GB

I would say that a scumflip here is moderately clearing for f&g amd cmod, if that happens and I die.

As much as I'd love to be put into a category of moderately cleared....I don't understand how a scum flip here would do this?

Idk, for me it just feels like he's found someone who he feels is very towny and is making them look good so that when Bingle flips scum, town then distrusts said townies

[Nosferatu]

does the doctors operate ability count as an attack for this???

apparently not

[Fun and Games]

I confused George with Beeboy. Similar posting styles...

I'm still not sure that post made sense ...

[I Keep Siteflaking]

I don't think eliminating Bingle early is wise. He has a tendency of carrying town with mechanics. Regardless of his alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also this is why I didn't go into the gym, felt it would've been a prime target for scum

Why did you assume that scum would have an ability to target an entire room?

Very good question, tbh I was thinking of the actual Betrayal game and thinking about how you gotta be in the same room as someone to attack them or do actions against them

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

I don’t distrust you yet, but I feel like scum may have ways around certain action limits, such that they may have been able to freely activate a lab

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw just to make things a little spicier:
I think one of the consensus scumreads is correct.

[PenguinPower]

Either way as it's been mentioned by other people, both labs got activated and we know a roleblock happened in the Gym, given that I did something else, there's a good chance I didn't do any of the doctor sided actions (unless you think I'm a 4th doctor here)

I don't like this post.

[I Keep Siteflaking]

@mod

is it possible that there is a 3p here?

[lilith2013]

Please refer to the win conditions of the setup.

[SirCakez]

Alright this just got interesting. I'm not interested in beeboy, if he's scum why would he limit his vote to only a hammer, it makes no sense. And it would be too penalizing for a scum to have that handicap. Beeboy is town.

VOTE: Bingle

I confused George with Beeboy. Similar posting styles...

VOTE: Beeboy

So confused by this chain of posts

[SirCakez]

My one reason I don't want to vote Bingle is I feel kinda biased against him because of his bad "setup confusion" push on me

[Bingle]

Idk, for me it just feels like he's found someone who he feels is very towny and is making them look good so that when Bingle flips scum, town then distrusts said townies

I'd like you to clarify what my goal here as scum supposedly is, because your position is bonkers.

[Bingle]

I don't like this post.

It being a bad look doesn't make it not true.

The takeaway is the opposite angle, though.

There is a scum roomstopper (trademark pending) that probably isn't cmod via his publicly confirmable claim, so solving cmod's alignment is a comparitively lower priority.

I would like to get CMod's results from N0 though.

[PenguinPower]

I don't like this post.

It being a bad look doesn't make it not true.

The takeaway is the opposite angle, though.

There is a scum roomstopper (trademark pending) that probably isn't cmod via his publicly confirmable claim, so solving cmod's alignment is a comparitively lower priority.

I would like to get CMod's results from N0 though.

Except that exploring is a separate action from personal abilities and both can be done at the same time.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

[Bingle]

Except that exploring is a separate action from personal abilities and both can be done at the same time.

This is true. Cmod theoretically can prove one exploration. If cmod can prove the second exploration, they become unlikely to be the scum who activated labs. Cmod can heal a player. If this is true, they cannot be the scum who roomstopped.

None of this means cmod ISN’T scum, just that cmod is less likely to be scum than someone else, like you or me, who doesn’t have visible results.

As I said, I agree that it’s a bad look but it’s not a bad look to explore today. Which was what I said.

[Bingle]

And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

Interesting. That’s +equity for small town. Also Pine is a scumread?

[CreativeMod1]

Idk, for me it just feels like he's found someone who he feels is very towny and is making them look good so that when Bingle flips scum, town then distrusts said townies

I'd like you to clarify what my goal here as scum supposedly is, because your position is bonkers.

What I'm trying to say is IF Scum!Bingle hard defending Town!CM1 and then Bingle flips as being scum then there's a lot of sus now on CM1...but I will say is that yet again you haven't answered the question I asked you now twice, I don't understand what your logic was back then and I still don't

Except that exploring is a separate action from personal abilities and both can be done at the same time.

This is true. Cmod theoretically can prove one exploration. If cmod can prove the second exploration, they become unlikely to be the scum who activated labs. Cmod can heal a player. If this is true, they cannot be the scum who roomstopped.

None of this means cmod ISN’T scum, just that cmod is less likely to be scum than someone else, like you or me, who doesn’t have visible results.

As I said, I agree that it’s a bad look but it’s not a bad look to explore today. Which was what I said.

This is a very good point, I can prove my career right now if you'd like and I highly doubt that scum get 2 different careers, so there's no way I can be both healer and roleblocker
Also, yes I can prove a second exploration, I won't say exactly how unless pushed but I can prove it

Finally I've just had a thought, when we get round to voting someone off, if said player is a town player then I highly suggest they send their items to whoever they think is the towniest player....if we leave it on the floor then there's a chance that scum will be able to pick it up (likewise if you have a daytime ability, use it before you die)

[lilith2013]

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