Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

He's scum with me, I'm Not Chara,

That would kinda make sense with the town-tell he had on you

[Morning Tweet]

He essentially is calling out Elements for reversing his play in order to make it seem drastically different from when he played as scum vs. town Hectic. But Hectic believes that Elements is going overboard and trying too hard to make it seem different

yes but if you read the followup post esp 326 it makes it sound very silly/joking sorta.

Also the fact that he came up with it like 6 min after saying he had no other reads makes me doubt how serious he was thinking about this.

Eeeeeeeh I see what you mean although that's not really how I interpreted it ig

I'm probably not gonna fight this cause I still haven't been willing to place him with Tanner/Krazy in my reads yet. Something is preventing me -- probably how Lav/Tayl0r surely aren't the team and I need a third

[Morning Tweet]

He's scum with me, I'm Not Chara,

That would kinda make sense with the town-tell he had on you

Ye that's what I'm getting at

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like what would Hectic Chara's plan be?


1. Get Spared - win the game.

2. Spares are impossible - hard push his scum-buddy - somehow beeboy shifts the wagon to someone else, Hectic suicides and makes Beeboy look great. Unfortunately Beeboy had RL issues and just ended up getting run up and deads.

[Morning Tweet]

Like what would Hectic Chara's plan be?

Lose?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well I guess just lurk out the rest of the day and hope we don't flip him at this point right?

[Morning Tweet]

one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

This would be pretty funny if they're teamed and Hectic is Not Chara, huh

Well I guess just lurk out the rest of the day and hope we don't flip him at this point right?

Well this day in particular (D2) he's V/LA

[Morning Tweet]

I prefer shooting at tayl0r or Lav cause their Not Chara play is less insane, I suppose.

Like if Hectic bussed as Not Chara for whatever reason, I'll let him have that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well this day in particular (D2) he's V/LA

I thought his VLA ended on 10/1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also he's been posting at a fair clip until the last 20ish hours.

[Prism]

pedit: It's not really about who he's pushing. It's more that I don't believe Hectic would have came up with that reason to scumread Elements right then as mafia. Why does he lay the groundworks for pivoting to Elements there

I guess it could be an anti-spew if Hectic is Not Chara.

Also like, sure he's voting for you but he's giving actually decent sounding reasoning to suspect Elements. I can't even find where he explains why he voted you. Maybe that's telling in its own right

??? he has been getting actively grilled for multiple pages by me, I just assert that his read on pooky is way too safe/objective and I'm keeping my vote

the real question is if he had this read why does it take me doing this to get him to bring it up

second he completely and willfully ignores that elements-town had just wrongfully shoved him 4x in a row

[Prism]

the entire bit about "oh elements is pushing to spare me" was also so bad, like elements was not making a town case on him at all, it's the start of the game, and he's noticeably memeing around but hectic somehow keeps going "Why does Elements push to spare me when he doesn't have a read on me?"

[Prism]

at this point I'm literally just typing exactly what I was back on like, page 30/40 though so I mean

[Prism]

I think it's likely that I'm wrong on at least one of Taylor/Hectic, like I said before, but I will go to my grave hating everything about Hectic's Day 1 in the year 2074

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lets just flip hectic

this chameleon can't hide forever

HURT: Hectic

if I'm wrong forgive me

[Prism]

HURT: Isis

I imagine I'll stay on Taylor but I don't want to deprive myself of the opportunity to go on Hectic when I wake up and recenter, in case we wagon her while I'm passed out or something

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

When did you from thinking I was town to deepwolf though? What triggered it?

Paranoid Pooky thinks this really says "How did you catch me?"

<3 Hectic I'll probably wake up and feel different or something

[Morning Tweet]

pedit: It's not really about who he's pushing. It's more that I don't believe Hectic would have came up with that reason to scumread Elements right then as mafia. Why does he lay the groundworks for pivoting to Elements there

I guess it could be an anti-spew if Hectic is Not Chara.

Also like, sure he's voting for you but he's giving actually decent sounding reasoning to suspect Elements. I can't even find where he explains why he voted you. Maybe that's telling in its own right

??? he has been getting actively grilled for multiple pages by me, I just assert that his read on pooky is way too safe/objective and I'm keeping my vote

the real question is if he had this read why does it take me doing this to get him to bring it up

second he completely and willfully ignores that elements-town had just wrongfully shoved him 4x in a row

that was in response to pooky noting Hectic was voting for him back on page 13

[Hectic]

He made his way around the town giving out townreads like candy to anyone that showed up-me, Morning, catboi, Lavender-but avoided scumreads other than the one on Elements.

And Ele flipped scum and my early townreads looks like town...maybe I'm not terrible at this game.

[Hectic]

Okay, so I'm with you on the Hectic scumtheory, especially if you're town. Can you explain why you townread them so strongly before?

haha, what do you think the answer to that will be :lol: :lol:

it was mostly the way hectic interacted directly with me. but now i think i was being silly. hectic interacted with me the way other people do. but hectic is normally super paranoid of me. and some of his logic was really strange, and i couldnt follow it. i just went along with it because i was under fire and he said i was town (i did the same thing in Menagerie where Loki thought he had logic that cleared me and found the scum, and i went along with it beacuse whether his logic was right the conclusion was good for town!me and therefore for town). i assumed that hectic was saying we couldnt be paired with anyone else, but he specifically said that i couldnt be paired with anyone else leaving us to assume that he was town if i was, which is a) not the case and b) not even what he said.

But my argument never was that it made me town. I wasn't arguing that you can be my only partner, I could probably be partnered with many. I was arguing that

I

could be your only partner, which is why I like you for town. I still do btw, I think this 180 on me is genuine paranoia.

[Hectic]

no i'm not at this point

it feels like he's avoiding us

Yeah, I've been V/LA for the last half a week.

[Hectic]

Puppy
Pooky

I have no clue why these two are locktown for you, Morning. Is it because of their votes on Ele?

[Hectic]

He essentially is calling out Elements for reversing his play in order to make it seem drastically different from when he played as scum vs. town Hectic. But Hectic believes that Elements is going overboard and trying too hard to make it seem different

yes but if you read the followup post esp 326 it makes it sound very silly/joking sorta.

Also the fact that he came up with it like 6 min after saying he had no other reads makes me doubt how serious he was thinking about this.

No, Morning is right and it was serious. It was the main reason I pushed Ele after the fact, because I felt the shift was scum-indicative.

[Hectic]

When did you from thinking I was town to deepwolf though? What triggered it?

Paranoid Pooky thinks this really says "How did you catch me?"

<3 Hectic I'll probably wake up and feel different or something

Shockingly, I am not open about my scummy thoughts as scum if I'm scum. I'm probably a little more likely to joke about that as town, because it might look dodgy as scum.

[Hectic]

As I said before, rolling ChArA and then hard bussing a teammate as my ONLY scumread on day 1 is throwing for my team and if I were my teammates I'd genuinely be furious. I really can't see how you'd imagine I could be ChaRa here, Pooky.

Look at the Marksman game again, Prism, I am very capable of faking scumreads as scum, and pushed through many mislaunches in that game while being UTR for it. Ele being my only scumread means exactly that.

At this point, I'm just hoping CHara flips as someone who had really good interactions with me so I don't have to recieve another week of grilling on day 3 {_{