Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Hectic]

I don't know why I was in the first vote on Lavender in a previous time for this play and it is a null step by step one is the one who was in the first vote for another one is the one to do with a mindset that was the only one

[Hectic]

why are you suddenly asking about sparing

Hectic wants to spare but isn't actually voting anyone for spare. So it's fair to ask, does he have anyone in mind? So far that slot is mostly just mech talk. Let the man speak for himself!

Did you answer this after or before you saw Ele's question, Launchy?

[Hectic]

Isis PMed me earlier and we talked a little about how the leading wagons are probably TvTvT and scum are relishing in the current state of affairs. She doesn't spoil herself on games she mods, so don't worry about lack of game integrity or anything.

Anyway, her powersolve was Launchy + Krazy but she pointed out they were too friendly to FIGHT, so I should instead push for 3 SPARES and that the thread was in need of some love, but honestly, I'm not so sure about this idea. I'm gonna continue to haggle with her and see if I can cut the number down some.

[CantHateAPuppy]

damn, look at all those pages in the night. ive really been slacking <_<

content to come, i have a few things to say

[CantHateAPuppy]

right now it looks like the options are hectic / tanner / lavender / taylor. not sure what happened to krazy? feel like i blinked and poof he want from a main suspect to obvtown. how did that happen? not sure i buy it, that slot is a hard mid-null

[CantHateAPuppy]

right now it looks like the options are hectic / tanner / lavender / taylor. not sure what happened to krazy? feel like i blinked and poof he want from a main suspect to obvtown. how did that happen? not sure i buy it, that slot is a hard mid-null

of these wagons i think my preference would be: hectic = taylor > lavender > tanner

lavender popped in a while ago and made a post that gave me town vibes, maybe just because she answered some of my questions which i appreciated. ive played enough games with a sort of lurker lynchbait town so im always cautious about just voting there. but on reflection literally the last game i used that rule that slot turned out to be scum who coasted. so, i dunno. i dont think i want to hammer there but if that's the town pick i might be swayed

[CantHateAPuppy]

i have some thoughts about the tanner slot but i still have him as town. there were a lot of posts and arguments about it and, basically, the case against him seems to be that he doesn't have the WIM? it doesn't seem very persuasive to me. there were a lot of arguments about his progression on me, and how he kind of dropped it at the end. maybe the fact that he's not pushing himself more damn the consequences is the opposite of the whole "prickly" vibe i picked up early on that made me townread him in the first place. but sitting as the party attacked, i think his progression was pretty believable, i dont think he ever really tried twisting anything i said or was using bad intent. and none of the cases made on him look at the early day 1 stuff where we were RVS townblocing, which is pretty important to how im reading that slot TBH. so i still dont want a tanner fight

[CantHateAPuppy]

ok, i had a lot of things to say about hectic, but i would've sworn he voted to spare prism earlier and then said nobody should sheep him, but i was going to sheep him anyways because sparing is still viable IMO. I know everyone is sick of that whole thing by now, but hectic making that spare was actually going to push me to vote for taylor over him and if i didn't read it right and misremembered that changes what i want to say about him

[CantHateAPuppy]

HEAL: Prism

This is not a serious proposal and I doubt it would be a correct mechanical choice, just keeping track of where my head's at right now

darn this is the post i was remembering. now im really not sure what to feel

i went into this sequence of posts thinking i was going to vote for taylor. is it bad if i havent' even really done a lot of this thinking on taylor herself to justify myself?

[Hectic]

why are you suddenly asking about sparing

Hectic wants to spare but isn't actually voting anyone for spare. So it's fair to ask, does he have anyone in mind? So far that slot is mostly just mech talk. Let the man speak for himself!

Did you answer this after or before you saw Ele's question, Launchy?

Would appreciate if you answered this while you're here!

[CantHateAPuppy]

Alright POE Summary for me off top of my head: (add if I miss anything)

Taylor Swift:

Pro:
Read Progression is random af
Didn't vote Beeboy - tried to push multiple other wagons in dying hours of D1.
Catboi listed her as the only other scum in 924
Self-Sacrifice Proposal out of nowhere - doesn't really make strategic sense as town esp today.

Con:
ISO tonally doesn't feel same as Noir.
Beeboy Tried to push her before he flaked out? (Distancing b4 giving up?)


Krazy:

Pro:
redtea flaked out - fits missing scumpartner of beeboy profile
had trouble replying to things

Con:
D2 wagon felt fast? I dunno here somebody fill this in.

Hectic:

Pro:
Disengaged during D2.
Tonally feels different from Regular Hectic (Could be burnout or RL?)
Failed to soul-vibe with Pooky.

Con:
Rereading his end of d1 play I don't see him being scum unless Beeboy literally says in scum PT "just bus me I give up" ?
Which I guess I can see Beeboy doing.
I would hate to lynch Hectic and he flip town so somebody else make the call on this.

Lavendar:

Pro:
Doesn't really do much - kind of fits the profile of a silent partner

Con:
Hectic says her read list is town and I don't really know how to read her.

this was a really helpful post for me. (although, pooky, your pros and cons are labeled backwards )

I feel like your krazy con (er, pro?) is null because if his wagon moved fast, that also could mean scum weren't on it. but really, my main beef with krazy is i feel like ive tried talking to him more and didn't get some more of the kinds of conversations i wanted

in lavender's defense i would add that she didn't really hard defend beeboy iirc, even if she was lurker scum surely she'd do something more than watch her game basically end D1?

hectic i would say that he's got all these takes that are different from the rest of town, like he's the only person with some reads on me and a few other players, and he's the only one who doesn't have the basically standard lynchpool we've all been fighting over, but he also isn't really doing anything to push those reads. RN that reads more like posture than anything tbh, which i kind of read as scum

[CantHateAPuppy]

why are you suddenly asking about sparing

Hectic wants to spare but isn't actually voting anyone for spare. So it's fair to ask, does he have anyone in mind? So far that slot is mostly just mech talk. Let the man speak for himself!

Did you answer this after or before you saw Ele's question, Launchy?

Would appreciate if you answered this while you're here!

i was just gonna get to this, glad u popped in TBH because i was just reflicting that one reason i haven't posted much lately is that it feels like talking to an empty stage when im the only one posting at this hour

i don't really remember? the way i remember it is you were arguing for spares as an abstract concept, but hadn't really picked anybody to spare. so i wanted to see who you wanted to actually spare, and ele jumped in early and started interpreting my question all sorts of weird ways

this was early enough in D1 where i was just excited to be in another game and was probably F5'ing repeatedly, so i probably answered his queston in real-time. does that help?

[Hectic]

Alright, I was hoping you would say you definitely answered it after seeing the question, because there were only 15 seconds between those two posts. So unless you have a wpm of 148 and saw and processed and Ele's post instantly as it was sent, you would've been lying.

[Hectic]

hectic i would say that he's got all these takes that are different from the rest of town, like he's the only person with some reads on me and a few other players, and he's the only one who doesn't have the basically standard lynchpool we've all been fighting over, but he also isn't really doing anything to push those reads. RN that reads more like posture than anything tbh, which i kind of read as scum

Nah, you're reaching the wrong conclusions here. Relaxing and letting town get drawn by Lavender/Tayl0r would be bliss as scum. Shame I'm not and I think they're town though.

I was pushing elsewhere when I was confident on it (Krazy). However, he's now not ChAara and so not viable for today. I don't have anywhere else I'm confident about which is why you're seeing a lack of pushes from me right now.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Alright, I was hoping you would say you definitely answered it after seeing the question, because there were only 15 seconds between those two posts. So unless you have a wpm of 148 and saw and processed and Ele's post instantly as it was sent, you would've been lying.

yeah i might remember being intercepted by the thread being updated, but i think if i was to say that with 100% confidence i'd probably just forcing a memory on myself at this point

if you want to catch me out in a lie, you should ask me my real opinion about mcdonalds french fries :O

[CantHateAPuppy]

hectic i would say that he's got all these takes that are different from the rest of town, like he's the only person with some reads on me and a few other players, and he's the only one who doesn't have the basically standard lynchpool we've all been fighting over, but he also isn't really doing anything to push those reads. RN that reads more like posture than anything tbh, which i kind of read as scum

Nah, you're reaching the wrong conclusions here.

Relaxing and letting town get drawn by Lavender/Tayl0r would be bliss as scum.

Shame I'm not and I think they're town though.

I was pushing elsewhere when I was confident on it (Krazy). However, he's now not ChAara and so not viable for today. I don't have anywhere else I'm confident about which is why you're seeing a lack of pushes from me right now.

i think the mistake was spending this much time on the debate, not in the targets discussed. we have some null-scum slots worth flipping, and no matter who we flip we're getting scum anyways. i think the discussion has carried on far too long, is just draining town's energy right now. so the fact that you're one of the only players at least discussing other things reads to me as townlean, although i'm not sure how town this is when you're not actually developing a lot of these opinions except as a sort of test balloon trial, which makes me scumlean. you can convince me to read this in a scum way if you prefer?

[Hectic]

I thought french fries was a cat thing, don't tell me, Launchy...

What's your real opinion on your fast food places french fries tier list?

[CantHateAPuppy]

the best french fries are friend in beef tallow and all the fast food places switched over to vegetable oil a long time ago because it was cheaper, and BIG VEGETABLE OIL and BIG PUFA convinced people that vegetable oil is healthier. but it's not! it's not healthy and even worse its not delicious!

so top tier french fries don't exist anymore. i remember i was in japan one time and had mcdonald's in an airport, those tasted like beef tallow or butter, the best fries i've had for fast food in years.

[Hectic]

Honestly, I probably won't have as much fight in me for tomorrow, but it'd kill me to be launched today and then have a ChAra flip which has great interactions with me that would've exonerated me for the next day.

I crave having ChAra's interactions to examine too, I just wish I could feel good about voting any of the other wagons...
I'd vote Lav over Tayl0r if it came to it.

[Hectic]

In my experience, McDonald's fries are very lacklustre...I'll keep these butter chips in mind for when I travel to Japan.

[Hectic]

My sus pool ftr is [Launchy, Pooky, Krazy] right now. I just don't feel confident about any one read to case or push it.

The tier above that is probably [Tanner, Lavender].

[CantHateAPuppy]

the best french fries are friend in beef tallow and all the fast food places switched over to vegetable oil a long time ago because it was cheaper, and BIG VEGETABLE OIL and BIG PUFA convinced people that vegetable oil is healthier. but it's not! it's not healthy and even worse its not delicious!

so top tier french fries don't exist anymore. i remember i was in japan one time and had mcdonald's in an airport, those tasted like beef tallow or butter, the best fries i've had for fast food in years.

new mafia theme idea: diet mafia. BIG HEALTH has infiltrated your small restaurant and is trying to poison you through dieting. scumteam is common foods that people have been told are healthy but aren't (salmon, avocado, whole grains). town is foods that are healthy but people have been told aren't (ice cream, big juicy steaks, butter, sugar). players are eliminated by a vote to determine who gets eaten as part of a midday meal.

[CantHateAPuppy]

My sus pool ftr is [Launchy, Pooky, Krazy] right now. I just don't feel confident about any one read to case or push it.

The tier above that is probably [Tanner, Lavender].

pooky? tanner? i just feel like we're playing two different games. if i could resolve this into a solid scumread or a solid townread, i would feel a lot better about you and the game in general

[Hectic]

the best french fries are friend in beef tallow and all the fast food places switched over to vegetable oil a long time ago because it was cheaper, and BIG VEGETABLE OIL and BIG PUFA convinced people that vegetable oil is healthier. but it's not! it's not healthy and even worse its not delicious!

so top tier french fries don't exist anymore. i remember i was in japan one time and had mcdonald's in an airport, those tasted like beef tallow or butter, the best fries i've had for fast food in years.

new mafia theme idea: diet mafia. BIG HEALTH has infiltrated your small restaurant and is trying to poison you through dieting. scumteam is common foods that people have been told are healthy but aren't (salmon, avocado, whole grains). town is foods that are healthy but people have been told aren't (ice cream, big juicy steaks, butter, sugar). players are eliminated by a vote to determine who gets eaten as part of a midday meal.

Sounds amazing lol. Put me down as 4 /preins.

I'd want to be a magic mushroom.

[Hectic]

My sus pool ftr is [Launchy, Pooky, Krazy] right now. I just don't feel confident about any one read to case or push it.

The tier above that is probably [Tanner, Lavender].

pooky? tanner? i just feel like we're playing two different games. if i could resolve this into a solid scumread or a solid townread, i would feel a lot better about you and the game in general

Probably be more accurate to say this:

Tanner, Lavender
Launchy, Pooky


Krazy

Krazy's slot was my only scumread and now he's not a thing. The rest aren't scumleans even and I see more town than scum there - this is the problem.