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Regardless of what Shelly flips, the logic for flipping her today is bogus. If, as people have purported, a VT claim always results in an elim going through, why would scum Shelly claim VT? The reasoning of Menalque and others is evidence that Shelly is more likely town (although I don't subscribe to that argument, and Shelly might have studied at the BM Academy of Mafia).Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Regardless of what Shelly flips, the logic for flipping her today is bogus. If, as people have purported, a VT claim always results in an elim going through, why would scum Shelly claim VT? The reasoning of Menalque and others is evidence that Shelly is more likely town (although I don't subscribe to that argument, and Shelly might have studied at the BM Academy of Mafia).Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
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still, a point worth making 3 times!
I'll hammer if needed I guess, but y'all are awful scumhunters for letting Teacher off the hook.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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In post 2010, Menalque wrote:alonzo what can I say to you to get a vote from you on shelly
what can I offer you my dudeIn post 2021, Battle Mage wrote:
i dont actually believe Alonzo thinks i'm scum, he's just doing a bitIn post 2017, Alonzo wrote:
Will iso shelleyIn post 2015, Menalque wrote:alonzo have you considered that (1) your top TR is a likely compromise candidate if things go to shit and so by supporting shelly wagon you decrease the odds of your top TR dying and (2) shelly scum flipping gigantically increases your chances of flipping your top SR tomorrow, assuming that is BM who you were still voting as of last VC- shellyc
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im apathetic regarding this game and haven’t read in detail these 20 pages. I understand the info gained from a town!shelly flip and I don’t hate if I was todays lim.In post 2007, Menalque wrote:can we also note shelly's rather conspicuous absence from the thread through all this while she has been active elsewhere on site
sighIn post 1991, Menalque wrote:Datisi claims to be scum reading shelly. But datisi also uses her vote to actively support the counter wagon to shelly which is the best way to disperse a wagon. Datisi claims to be town this game, but datisi has also claimed to be town in other games where she was scum. Who is datisi really? Can we really trust someone with a proven record of lying.
Vote Shelly today, and don't believe her lies!
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Reads in order
Town:
Alonzo
Ico
Bunno
BM
username
Null:
Noraa
Teacher
Menalque
Golden
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Datisi
Taylor
Bob"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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this is a very artificial thought process
with scum!datisi the initial unvote on me maybe for VCA cred and now the way to get out of being on a town wagon is that ico made Datisi vote here"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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elaborate why is Datisi even townIn post 2011, Iconeum wrote:datisi probtown in my book"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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town!noraas LHF and anti-town play is present everywhere. im fine with a noraa policy but I currently town lean slightly there because of the eagerness to make things happen with BM. its very poor play all-round with noraa but I feel they’re probtownIn post 1913, Iconeum wrote:poor play could be used to describe the early play from noraa
at this point it's straight up scum with not giving reads, having illogical conclusions, forced reads etc"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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menal why are you insisted on teacher townIn post 1980, Menalque wrote:teacher - probtown
teacher is super null, not much content to work with, but I definitely get teacher/menal. I don’t like preflip associatives much tho"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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this is correct. im pretty deep into the scum persona and dislike rolling town tbhIn post 1579, Menalque wrote:one explanation: shelly's towngame looks like her scumgame because she's rolled scum a lot
also im not very good at town yet. one of my weaknesses is getting my points across, I feel like I often have decent reads but the way I articulate them are scummy an that’s why im often lynchbait"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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VTs are still members of town. i don’t really get “shelly is a vt claim lets get her"In post 1589, Menalque wrote:if shelly /is/ VT then all we lose is VT"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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I don’t want to trust tell this. but I am town and will flip VT if you want to flip me today"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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I read the case but felt like your reasons were very generic. I actually had a slightly good impression of teacher's posts. He was one of the few ones interested in Taylor in the beginning as well.In post 1921, Battle Mage wrote:
what are your reasons against the teacher case? you hadnt posted them at this point.In post 1869, Bunno wrote:Teacher feels like a very random spontaneous wagon
Mena has been talking about "anyone but teacher", and says Taylor is sus, but never joins Taylor wagon.
Why is this game so messed up? It's not even about me compromissing anymore, Mena it's you that doesn't want to compromisse on Taylor at all.
If you/TGP which if I remember correctly sus Taylor do come with us on her wagon, we may have a shoot on getting someone other than teacher. I don't really feel any good reason for that random teacher wagon.
Maybe if Taylor is town I would be a bit more skeptical of him but for now I enjoy having his slot around.Churros aka Volpe aka Nibbui aka Fumuki- Battle Mage
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yeah, and generally scum claim PR. and youve rolled scum enough presumably to know that.In post 2037, shellyc wrote:
VTs are still members of town. i don’t really get “shelly is a vt claim lets get her"In post 1589, Menalque wrote:if shelly /is/ VT then all we lose is VTShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%- shellyc
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menalque vs BM feels like bullshitting about whose wagon is better which is obv anti-town
can we compromise for once. menal will you vote anywhere outside of me."I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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i dont think answering a question in and of itself is a trust tell, although ive been wrong about these before.In post 2039, shellyc wrote:I don’t want to trust tell this. but I am town and will flip VT if you want to flip me today
i dont really want to flip you today but it looks like we might, and i dont hate it for the info.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
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bunno why are all your reads revolving around Taylor associatives. this sounds like a good way to backtrack on everything if you’re scum and Taylor is actually town tbqh"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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I've given up on discussing on lenght the cases. I only have 30 - 60 minutes per day optimallyIn post 1923, Battle Mage wrote:
I'd like to see you defend this position substantively, rather than repeatedly posting:In post 1874, Bunno wrote:I"m done for tonight.
See you.
If wagons completely change again beyond my predictions I'll compromisse by the way.
I'm not compromissing on teacher though, it seems 100% a random elimination.
"Noooooo, anybody but teacher, i don't understand how we could do this, please!".
Like, you've read the thread, please engage with the case at least for credibility points.
maybe more if the day is uneventful or I'm lazying around (which unhappily I'm in the last few days), but I don't want to discuss this because I don't see how I can change your mind easily or even at all.
I discussed Taylor for 20 pages and could only get 2 votes. Discussing is useless in many cases.
I'm explaining this for future events as well.Churros aka Volpe aka Nibbui aka Fumuki- Battle Mage
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you still think taylor is scum??In post 2040, Bunno wrote:
I read the case but felt like your reasons were very generic. I actually had a slightly good impression of teacher's posts. He was one of the few ones interested in Taylor in the beginning as well.In post 1921, Battle Mage wrote:
what are your reasons against the teacher case? you hadnt posted them at this point.In post 1869, Bunno wrote:Teacher feels like a very random spontaneous wagon
Mena has been talking about "anyone but teacher", and says Taylor is sus, but never joins Taylor wagon.
Why is this game so messed up? It's not even about me compromissing anymore, Mena it's you that doesn't want to compromisse on Taylor at all.
If you/TGP which if I remember correctly sus Taylor do come with us on her wagon, we may have a shoot on getting someone other than teacher. I don't really feel any good reason for that random teacher wagon.
Maybe if Taylor is town I would be a bit more skeptical of him but for now I enjoy having his slot around.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%- Battle Mage
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just if you flip me I want town to look at my readslist. I think with this game state tmr can be a Taylor flip. red Taylor means green Bunno and probably red Datisi
if Taylor is also green I think 2-3 of scum are active and pretty strong to manipulate the gamestate"I really dig your cult leadery charismatic vibes" - Hectic
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perhaps you were not persistent enough lolIn post 2045, Bunno wrote:
I've given up on discussing on lenght the cases. I only have 30 - 60 minutes per day optimallyIn post 1923, Battle Mage wrote:
I'd like to see you defend this position substantively, rather than repeatedly posting:In post 1874, Bunno wrote:I"m done for tonight.
See you.
If wagons completely change again beyond my predictions I'll compromisse by the way.
I'm not compromissing on teacher though, it seems 100% a random elimination.
"Noooooo, anybody but teacher, i don't understand how we could do this, please!".
Like, you've read the thread, please engage with the case at least for credibility points.
maybe more if the day is uneventful or I'm lazying around (which unhappily I'm in the last few days), but I don't want to discuss this because I don't see how I can change your mind easily or even at all.
I discussed Taylor for 20 pages and could only get 2 votes. Discussing is useless in many cases.
I'm explaining this for future events as well.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55% - Battle Mage
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