Mini Normal 2169 : random facts, game over !

[Battle Mage]

Regardless of what Shelly flips, the logic for flipping her today is bogus. If, as people have purported, a VT claim always results in an elim going through, why would scum Shelly claim VT? The reasoning of Menalque and others is evidence that Shelly is more likely town (although I don't subscribe to that argument, and Shelly might have studied at the BM Academy of Mafia).

[Battle Mage]

Regardless of what Shelly flips, the logic for flipping her today is bogus. If, as people have purported, a VT claim always results in an elim going through, why would scum Shelly claim VT? The reasoning of Menalque and others is evidence that Shelly is more likely town (although I don't subscribe to that argument, and Shelly might have studied at the BM Academy of Mafia).

[Battle Mage]

oh man, my laptop had a meltdown i see

[Battle Mage]

still, a point worth making 3 times!

I'll hammer if needed I guess, but y'all are awful scumhunters for letting Teacher off the hook.

[Alonzo]

alonzo what can I say to you to get a vote from you on shelly

what can I offer you my dude

alonzo have you considered that (1) your top TR is a likely compromise candidate if things go to shit and so by supporting shelly wagon you decrease the odds of your top TR dying and (2) shelly scum flipping gigantically increases your chances of flipping your top SR tomorrow, assuming that is BM who you were still voting as of last VC

Will iso shelley

i dont actually believe Alonzo thinks i'm scum, he's just doing a bit

[shellyc]

can we also note shelly's rather conspicuous absence from the thread through all this while she has been active elsewhere on site

im apathetic regarding this game and haven’t read in detail these 20 pages. I understand the info gained from a town!shelly flip and I don’t hate if I was todays lim.

Datisi claims to be scum reading shelly. But datisi also uses her vote to actively support the counter wagon to shelly which is the best way to disperse a wagon. Datisi claims to be town this game, but datisi has also claimed to be town in other games where she was scum. Who is datisi really? Can we really trust someone with a proven record of lying.

Vote Shelly today, and don't believe her lies!

This ad paid for by the Shelly Is Scum Let's Just Flip Her Campaign

sigh

Reads in order

Town:
Alonzo
Ico
Bunno
BM
username

Null:
Noraa
Teacher
Menalque
Golden

Scum:
Datisi
Taylor
Bob

[shellyc]

VOTE: shelly

there you fucking go i'm voting shelly

am i town now?

this is a very artificial thought process
with scum!datisi the initial unvote on me maybe for VCA cred and now the way to get out of being on a town wagon is that ico made Datisi vote here

[shellyc]

datisi probtown in my book

elaborate why is Datisi even town

[teacher]

Naked prod response -I crashed last night and am like 30 pages behind. In class now but will be on tonight and more available all weekend.

[shellyc]

poor play could be used to describe the early play from noraa

at this point it's straight up scum with not giving reads, having illogical conclusions, forced reads etc

town!noraas LHF and anti-town play is present everywhere. im fine with a noraa policy but I currently town lean slightly there because of the eagerness to make things happen with BM. its very poor play all-round with noraa but I feel they’re probtown

[shellyc]

teacher - probtown

menal why are you insisted on teacher town

teacher is super null, not much content to work with, but I definitely get teacher/menal. I don’t like preflip associatives much tho

[shellyc]

one explanation: shelly's towngame looks like her scumgame because she's rolled scum a lot

this is correct. im pretty deep into the scum persona and dislike rolling town tbh

also im not very good at town yet. one of my weaknesses is getting my points across, I feel like I often have decent reads but the way I articulate them are scummy an that’s why im often lynchbait

[shellyc]

if shelly /is/ VT then all we lose is VT

VTs are still members of town. i don’t really get “shelly is a vt claim lets get her"

[Battle Mage]

shelly, tell me honestly if you're town here?

[shellyc]

I don’t want to trust tell this. but I am town and will flip VT if you want to flip me today

[Bunno]

Teacher feels like a very random spontaneous wagon

Mena has been talking about "anyone but teacher", and says Taylor is sus, but never joins Taylor wagon.

Why is this game so messed up? It's not even about me compromissing anymore, Mena it's you that doesn't want to compromisse on Taylor at all.

If you/TGP which if I remember correctly sus Taylor do come with us on her wagon, we may have a shoot on getting someone other than teacher. I don't really feel any good reason for that random teacher wagon.

what are your reasons against the teacher case? you hadnt posted them at this point.

I read the case but felt like your reasons were very generic. I actually had a slightly good impression of teacher's posts. He was one of the few ones interested in Taylor in the beginning as well.

Maybe if Taylor is town I would be a bit more skeptical of him but for now I enjoy having his slot around.

[Battle Mage]

if shelly /is/ VT then all we lose is VT

VTs are still members of town. i don’t really get “shelly is a vt claim lets get her"

yeah, and generally scum claim PR. and youve rolled scum enough presumably to know that.

[shellyc]

menalque vs BM feels like bullshitting about whose wagon is better which is obv anti-town

can we compromise for once. menal will you vote anywhere outside of me.

[Battle Mage]

I don’t want to trust tell this. but I am town and will flip VT if you want to flip me today

i dont think answering a question in and of itself is a trust tell, although ive been wrong about these before.

i dont really want to flip you today but it looks like we might, and i dont hate it for the info.

[shellyc]

bunno why are all your reads revolving around Taylor associatives. this sounds like a good way to backtrack on everything if you’re scum and Taylor is actually town tbqh

[Bunno]

I"m done for tonight.

See you.

If wagons completely change again beyond my predictions I'll compromisse by the way.

I'm not compromissing on teacher though, it seems 100% a random elimination.

I'd like to see you defend this position substantively, rather than repeatedly posting:

"Noooooo, anybody but teacher, i don't understand how we could do this, please!".

Like, you've read the thread, please engage with the case at least for credibility points.

I've given up on discussing on lenght the cases. I only have 30 - 60 minutes per day optimally

maybe more if the day is uneventful or I'm lazying around (which unhappily I'm in the last few days), but I don't want to discuss this because I don't see how I can change your mind easily or even at all.

I discussed Taylor for 20 pages and could only get 2 votes. Discussing is useless in many cases.

I'm explaining this for future events as well.

[Battle Mage]

Teacher feels like a very random spontaneous wagon

Mena has been talking about "anyone but teacher", and says Taylor is sus, but never joins Taylor wagon.

Why is this game so messed up? It's not even about me compromissing anymore, Mena it's you that doesn't want to compromisse on Taylor at all.

If you/TGP which if I remember correctly sus Taylor do come with us on her wagon, we may have a shoot on getting someone other than teacher. I don't really feel any good reason for that random teacher wagon.

what are your reasons against the teacher case? you hadnt posted them at this point.

I read the case but felt like your reasons were very generic. I actually had a slightly good impression of teacher's posts. He was one of the few ones interested in Taylor in the beginning as well.

Maybe if Taylor is town I would be a bit more skeptical of him but for now I enjoy having his slot around.

you still think taylor is scum??

[Battle Mage]

da actual fuq!?

[shellyc]

just if you flip me I want town to look at my readslist. I think with this game state tmr can be a Taylor flip. red Taylor means green Bunno and probably red Datisi

if Taylor is also green I think 2-3 of scum are active and pretty strong to manipulate the gamestate

[Battle Mage]

I"m done for tonight.

See you.

If wagons completely change again beyond my predictions I'll compromisse by the way.

I'm not compromissing on teacher though, it seems 100% a random elimination.

I'd like to see you defend this position substantively, rather than repeatedly posting:

"Noooooo, anybody but teacher, i don't understand how we could do this, please!".

Like, you've read the thread, please engage with the case at least for credibility points.

I've given up on discussing on lenght the cases. I only have 30 - 60 minutes per day optimally

maybe more if the day is uneventful or I'm lazying around (which unhappily I'm in the last few days), but I don't want to discuss this because I don't see how I can change your mind easily or even at all.

I discussed Taylor for 20 pages and could only get 2 votes. Discussing is useless in many cases.

I'm explaining this for future events as well.

perhaps you were not persistent enough lol