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[Redados]

I think Nora sussed me before UNO did? I don't think UNO sussed me until I sussed him if I'm remembering correctly

?

This never got a reply from Redados, but I would like him to explain why he thinks I never suspected him until his big catch up considering he has claimed to have been reading my posts.

I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.

[Redados]

Thinking Redados might not be a bad idea now honestly, I thought the "scum because of playstyle" caution was towny from him early on, but it seems he's committed to actually scumreading both of Noraa/shelly without ever explaining why.

Looking through his ISO, he's restated or acknowledged those scumreads like 10 or so different times, but not once has he mentioned

why

he scumreads them or given any reasoning despite repeatedly being prompted for it...maybe he doesn't actually have any reasons and is just rolling with the reads from early on? His wall in 1164 infact have a bunch of lines where he says shelly is being protown or that he agrees with something shelly has said, but then these come with no explanation:

P12 - I am scumreading ShellyC

Page 38 - I’m scumreading ShellyC.

Redados

help, WHY do you scumread shelly and Noraa?

After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

[Noraa]

Agreed that Redados and I are at a truce rn.

[Noraa]

After all the hissy fights cooled down, we gucci

[Noraa]

......right?

[bugspray]

is bugspray scum?

expand on this please

is bugspray scum?

Why do you think this is a useful question to ask?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m getting hardcore TvS vibes from joyed v Norway though
just the overall conflict isn’t really scum theatre and I think I don’t see the energy/reaction/emotion (idk how to put this) of a TvT fight really

Probably just repeating at this point, but why couldn't it be TvT? You say energy/reaction/emotion but not every player is going to spend 10 pages arguing when it's clear that it will just spam and maybe not even change anyone's opinion much.

[Tayl0r Swift]

is bugspray scum?

expand on this please

is bugspray scum?

Why do you think this is a useful question to ask?

yes i think we should all ask ourselves that

[UNOwen]

the TvS read is so weird to me on day 1. what makes you believe that discussion is more likely to be TvS? you said the same about me and tayl0rs discussion. Like I understand having an independent scumread on someone, but I am not sure I really follow the logic that any of these day 1 discussions are more likely to be town vs scum

I agree with this. Shelly comes across as the type of player who is willing to make these sorts of guesses based on intuition though.

[Noraa]

Taylor I wouldn't be surprised at all if the answer was yes

[bugspray]

ok lets get a wagon going then VOTE: bugspray

[UNOwen]

I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.

You did not see me as scumreading you until I voted for you the second time

and also

the time when I said I thought you were the most suspicious and was surprised there weren't more votes against you, which was earlier and definitely before your big catchup.

The question isn't really about what you think now though, it is whether at the time you posted your catch up and voted against me you were aware that I thought you were scum?

[Noraa]

the TvS read is so weird to me on day 1. what makes you believe that discussion is more likely to be TvS? you said the same about me and tayl0rs discussion. Like I understand having an independent scumread on someone, but I am not sure I really follow the logic that any of these day 1 discussions are more likely to be town vs scum

I agree with this. Shelly comes across as the type of player who is willing to make these sorts of guesses based on intuition though.

So I see that shelly's post has caught lots of attention. Honestly, ngl it does seem a lil scummy but at the same time it also 100% seems like a shelly thing to do. Often times I think shelly is scum but then I'm very wrong and so its gotten to the point where I slightly zoom out and just accept that half the things she say are gonna sound scummy but its just playstyle. I personally don't think its AI but if u can come up with more stuff that doesn't sound like playstyle, I'm willing to listen.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok lets get a wagon going then VOTE: bugspray

Lel.
But seriously, who do you wanna vote.
Cus we do actually need a wagon soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

noraa, you were right on Taylor. Who's your current main scumread.

[Redados]

I went back and ISOd you and your post 660 sheds some suspicion on me but I didn't see you as scumreading me until you voted for me. And post 1025.

You did not see me as scumreading you until I voted for you the second time

and also

the time when I said I thought you were the most suspicious and was surprised there weren't more votes against you, which was earlier and definitely before your big catchup.

The question isn't really about what you think now though, it is whether at the time you posted your catch up and voted against me you were aware that I thought you were scum?

no, I was not aware although I had read the whole thing so maybe I should have been more aware/was aware subconsciously

can I ask why this is so important?

[bugspray]

was odj hectic and then he replaced in on his main?

[Hectic]

After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

Why were you originally scumreading shelly?

[UNOwen]

no, I was not aware although I had read the whole thing so maybe I should have been more aware/was aware subconsciously

can I ask why this is so important?

I'd like to believe that if you were suspecting me from that early on in your read through you would have been paying attention to I was saying.

[Noraa]

noraa, you were right on Taylor. Who's your current main scumread.

Norwee I don't have good reads lel just check out my first town game and u can tell. My scum team guess was two vanilla townies. I jailed two people who were both vanilla town. I never figured out who the first scum was until they claimed my role. The second scum I found using some Poe. Thats how bad I am at reads *facepalm*

For Taylor, it wasn't even I was right about her. Its more that I've been in many games with her and she always seems to rack up attention day 1 even as town so I don't really think that's AI. I think her vibe is basically the only thing that is somewhat easy to read. As town she's pretty aggressive and will get mad easily and that's what I saw here so I figured she was prolly town.

[Redados]

was odj hectic and then he replaced in on his main?

yep

After seeing Shelly's reaction to my scumreads and her continued play, I don't scumread her anymore.

I've also cooled down on Noraa. I kept scumreading her because of her continued tunneling on me.

Why were you originally scumreading shelly?

She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

[Noraa]

......right?

[Hectic]

She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

You mentioned before that's her playstyle and it's NAI. I was hoping you had more game specific reasons to scumread her, so this is troubling.

What about the push on Grendel made you think she was scum and it wasn't just shelly being agressive/erratic as always?

[Redados]

She was behaving erratically and aggressively and going back in hindsight I think it was her push on Grendel that drove it.

You mentioned before that's her playstyle and it's NAI. I was hoping you had more game specific reasons to scumread her, so this is troubling.

What about the push on Grendel made you think she was scum and it wasn't just shelly being agressive/erratic as always?

Those were off the cuff reads from a bunch of pages ago and I don’t want to defend them anymore.

[Redados]

I'll be lower activity for the next day or so since I'll be traveling. Should be back to usual capabilities by Saturday evening or Sunday morning CST.