Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 2.002
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	None	EL-7	3	2	4	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	None	EL-7	2	3	3	SirCakez
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	SirCakez, Gamma Emerald	EL-5	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	PenguinPower, Fun and Games, CreativeMod1	EL-4	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	1	Nosferatu
I Keep Siteflaking	None	EL-7	3	3	3	I Keep Siteflaking
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	Bingle, Albert B. Rampage	EL-5	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	Pine, Nosferatu, I Keep Siteflaking, Ydrasse, beeboy
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-11 20:28:04)
Notes: None pagetops: Lilith 8 | penguin 8 | cm1 2 | ABR 1 | gamma 1 | gb 1 | fun & games 1

[I Keep Siteflaking]

So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

Each player's life story and background provides them with a

unique

special ability called a Career, which is not linked to their alignment. (See sample role PM below.)

So it seems that backgrounds were distributed without looking at one's alignment.

[CreativeMod1]

See I still don't quite believe that cos otherwise you could end up with a scum who is a cop or a town who is a roomblocker (which whilst yes possible, I don't think would be too helpful for their own team)

I still think that it's more of the background and story isn't alignment based, I still think the career is

[Bingle]

Also, yes I can prove a second exploration, I won't say exactly how unless pushed but I can prove it

If it is "I was the one to find the gymnasium/lab/blahblahblah" do so now, because that proof becomes useless when we have more dead people who might have done that thing and your being cc'd becomes less and less probable if you're fakeclaiming. Otherwise, I'll have to get back to you sometime this day phase, because I have a busy day today and can't think it all the way through atm.

[Bingle]

What I'm trying to say is IF Scum!Bingle hard defending Town!CM1 and then Bingle flips as being scum then there's a lot of sus now on CM1...but I will say is that yet again you haven't answered the question I asked you now twice, I don't understand what your logic was back then and I still don't

If ScumBingle -> Bingle knows GB won't flip scum.

If Bingle knows GB is town -> GB scumflip cannot happen.

If GB scumflip cannot happen -> cmod town if GB scum isn't actually defending you when we were about to eliminate GB.

[Gamma Emerald]

And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

Interesting. That’s +equity for small town. Also Pine is a scumread?

I think on a preponderance of evidence from my own role information and the events of N1 shows Pine has a good chance to be scum. I could also see him being scum by play, but mechanics was the driving element here.
@IKS acknowledged, however there’s still the fact 2 labs were activated, I suspect Pine may have used his elevated knowledge to do so, since while the exact details aren’t disclosed I know scum still need to do a knowledge roll to activate labs, seeing as it’s required in the role portion I described.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Nosferatu

I also didn't catch this in the rules, but if doctors have an ability relating to reducing down their knowledge for something then it's kinda sus that someone has lower knowledge and I'd like to get to the bottom of this

UNVOTE: nosferatu

I probably should've actually reread the rules before replying
It seems more like nosferatu was subject to an attack by the doctors

I think this might be Town!CM indicative.

Looking at CM's meta, I can seem to find a single scum game, so if he were to roll it, it would be one of his first time playing. I don't think this slip up comes from Newb Scum.

Do you think there is a quantity of games played as town/modded that makes you not newbscum or is it just a function of actually playing as scum, GB?

I feel like after 3 or so scum games, people usually iron out suspicious behaviors as scum. Like being overly defensive, copying reads list, forced scum hunting, fence sitting, etc. So, both?

This stance did not strike me as S/S nor did the F&G interaction with GB on page 14. I never elaborated because those observations are now useless. They weren't S/S, because one of the participants flipped town.

[Bingle]

scum still need to do a knowledge roll to activate labs, seeing as it’s required in the role portion I described.

I missed this the first time and it is SPICY.

what roll is required?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check

[Bingle]

Finally I've just had a thought, when we get round to voting someone off, if said player is a town player then I highly suggest they send their items to whoever they think is the towniest player....if we leave it on the floor then there's a chance that scum will be able to pick it up (likewise if you have a daytime ability, use it before you die)

Eh.

If the item is really good, sure. Otherwise, having a collection of garbage on the floor gives us the option of leashing actions to picking garbage off of the floor, since it has a visible effect.

[Bingle]

I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check

Explicitly though you can activate labs? Can you ask what number you would need?

[Gamma Emerald]

I never thought to try that actually

[Bingle]

I don't understand why people are reading anything into careers as it is stated by mod to be unrelated to our actual alignments

I firmly disagree with this interpretation, FWIW, because the game is nominally balanced and we already have claims that have a distinct difference in power as town or scum.

There is a chance it means that roles and alignments were randomized independently, but more likely it just means that if someone’s role is healing or knowledge based that doesn’t automatically make them scum.

So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

Each player's life story and background provides them with a

unique

special ability called a Career, which is not linked to their alignment. (See sample role PM below.)

So it seems that backgrounds were distributed without looking at one's alignment.

While it is possible that we're in a smalltown situation (and gamma's claim made that possibility rise) balancing a setup where role and alignment are distributed separately is much, much harder than balancing a setup where town has scummy roles and scum has towny roles. The latter is still the more likely interpretation imo.

Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.

[Bingle]

I don't think eliminating Bingle early is wise. He has a tendency of carrying town with mechanics. Regardless of his alignment.

[PenguinPower]

Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.

I'm a cop of unknown sanity.

[I Keep Siteflaking]

VOTE: pine

[Fun and Games]

VOTE: abr

Again

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not informed what number they need, just that it’s a Knowledge check

Explicitly though you can activate labs? Can you ask what number you would need?

I never thought to try that actually

I just checked and it’s a doctors only thing

[Bingle]

Also, cmod, we almost certainly don't have a cop, as I mentioned earlier.

I'm a cop of unknown sanity.

A50 is scum, you're naive.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: ABR

[Albert B. Rampage]

So I have an ability that let’s me “activate or destroy a lab without using a night action”. Now, why would my role say activate when I’m Town? My guess is scum has the same power on one of them. Since this action still requires a knowledge roll, I’m inclined to suspect anyone with elevated knowledge during N1, as they would have probably done so in order to be able to activate labs easier. The only person alive during N1 with increased knowledge was Pine. So I am going to
VOTE: Pine
And Pine was the consensus scumread I was talking about.

Good point. You have my vote.

VOTE: Pine

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pine needs to explain his knowledge +1.

[PenguinPower]

I mean yeah. It’s D1.

It's now D2.

wut up tree?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pine
I believe Gamma's claim

[SirCakez]

oh I was already voting him lmao